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Readyrod said:
So what do you all think of the seecamp mouseguns?
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I just sold my Seecamp .32 in favor of a LCPII. The Seecamp is a beautifully made pistol but it just did not fit my hand well. The Ruger is not much larger and you can own two for the price of one Seecamp.
 
Readyrod said:
Thanks for the replies folks.
From what I see on the net the .380 is hard on the hands but the .32 is easier. How do they compare in kick and stopping power?
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The. 32 ACP fired from a Kel Tec P32 will have less perceived recoil than a. 380 fired from an LCP. I have my P32 loaded with Fiocchi 73 gr. FMJ. I want the penetration. The. 380 hollow points will most likely not give you the desired 12 to 18 inch penetration with the possible exception of the Underwood round which I have not yet tested in my LCP . So for now I favor FMJ in my LCP. One or the other of the above mentioned pistols are usually carried as a BUG to my Smith 442 and rarely as a primary.
 
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Another Kel Tec P32 fan here. And if I remember right the .32ACP is a John Browning creation. I can carry it in a front pocket in a holster in what ever I wish to wear. And it is a very controllable pistol. Shot placement is the most important thing to me not the size of the bullet. I love large caliber firearms as much as anybody but I like to be able to pack a mouse gun and go anywhere with it and feel confident that no one knows I am carrying a firearm.

Will
 
Readyrod said:
So I've been checking mouseguns recently and I have a caliber question. Which do you all think would be better, relatively many small rounds, say 5x.22 in a NAA revolver, or a few larger rounds, like 2x45acp in a bonds arms derringer. I'm just wondering pros and cons. The situation is for self defense. If you want to mention the small 9mm's go ahead, though I'm more interested in the many small rounds vs a few larger ones topic.
Thanks.
And yea it's been a while since I posted but I have been lurking.
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If I had to do it all over again I would pick FEG .380 with six shot magazines. It was like Walther PPKS except smaller and the frame was light alloy instead of steel. The gun was chambered for 7,65, 9x17 and 9x18. The 9x17 was perfect blend of compactness as well as usefulness. LGS had one in great shape with two magazines for $229 which was impossible to beat for reliable "mouse gun".
 
LCP or P238, the lcp is lighter and easier to slip in a pocket (with holster of course) and not be obvious, I can carry it almost anywhere. The P238 is a pleasure to shoot and has about half the felt recoil to me. Mine is the army version with the fatter grip so it does not hide as well and I carry it OWB with the included holster that came with the gun.

My wife has carpal tunnel, and shoots her rosewood p238 without issue. while it cost twice as much as the lcp, it is a much nicer gun and has a really good trigger - much better than the lcp ;)

I dont have an issue with the recoil of the lcp, I added a stronger spring and an SS guide rod which made it nicer to shoot and extremely reliable, I cant recall the last time I had an issue with it in over 3 years and several hundred down the pipe.

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A NNA 22mag has been on my body except when sleeping or in the water for 30 years.I wear around my neck or some where on me and it has swam more than once it even fits in Scottie under wear pockets .
It’s not a mouse gun it’s my always have a gun gun.Skunks, rabid animals,porcupines it has done very well.
 
Right on MtN, naa's are great guns mine has been in salt water more then couple times..
 
grampajack said:
That's a choice between bad and worse. Like many others have said, there's a middle ground to be found here.

It's true that .380 pocket pistols are less than comfortable to shoot. From that perspective, .32 is attractive. I can't say .32 is adequate, but it does possess the ability to reliably penetrate far enough to reach vitals, unlike .25 and .22lr. Whether that happens in real life, I don't know. Statistically it's the worst round there is, but I put about as much stock in statistics as I do in campaign promises.

In any case, two rounds of anything is inadequate, and .22lr is inadequate no matter how many rounds you have.
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Haven't shot 380, ever.
That said, I've recently gotten into 32ACP, and it handles well, and puts rounds on target. I have shot a few short barreled pistols
in larger calibers. Muzzle flip, muzzle blast, and recoil is miserable. If you are going to adopt the 2X45ACP routine, be sure to practice
at close range.
Given a choice between a lighter alternative, and a high caliber derringer, I'd take a 9 shot 22LR revolver.
 
jimbo555 said:
More important than caliber is choosing a platform that you can reliably hit a target under pressure.
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+1. Which is why I avoid every pistol mentioned in this thread. Anything smaller than a Glock 43 doesn't work for me. Anyone try the BUG class in IDPA? It's an eye opener. My Kahr p380 and J-frame are worthless. I consider my deep concealment mouseguns, "knifes" or less. Against any competent shooter, I'm toast.

MedWheeler said:
My guess is that an overwhelming majority are LE situations. Trying to find as many examples of cases in which a law-abiding citizen targeted for a crime other than specific assassination was subsequently shot, stabbed, or beaten to death after shooting their assailant would be a lot tougher. In fact, the private citizen rarely even needs to score a hit to end the encounter.

The guys that "soldier on" against cops do so because they know that the cop won't stop until the BG is dead (or otherwise disabled) or locked up, neither of which is especially appealing. The BG that targets a citizen who then fires on him (with any caliber) knows that simply breaking off gives him a far greater chance of not getting dead or locked up, so off he goes. His original target isn't likely to pursue while radio-calling for many more armed citizens to join in.

I'm also just not seeing all the reports so often mentioned here of doped-up, zombie-methhead-whatevers that keep coming, raping, murdering, and pillaging after soaking up multiple handgun rounds fired at them by private citizens.

Of course, I'm not advocating anyone carry the smallest and weakest firearms for self-defense. We all know the advice of "carry the best-performing firearm-ammo platform you can practically carry and effectively deploy and shoot" (we need not tell years-long smokers that smoking can be harmful to their health; they know it already.) What I am advocating is that the rest of us refrain from bothering or disparaging those who are clearly not clueless about it for making their own personal choices.
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That's assuming a regular mugging or such. What about a rage filled guy that doesn't like your choice in new girlfriends?

Or the aloha snackbars. They're coming, and they hate us. Dying in the process of killing us is one of their favorite pastimes. They aren't going to give up from a few .32 hits.
 
Count Les Neins said:
Haven't shot 380, ever.
That said, I've recently gotten into 32ACP, and it handles well, and puts rounds on target. I have shot a few short barreled pistols
in larger calibers. Muzzle flip, muzzle blast, and recoil is miserable. If you are going to adopt the 2X45ACP routine, be sure to practice
at close range.
Given a choice between a lighter alternative, and a high caliber derringer, I'd take a 9 shot 22LR revolver.
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You might try to find a G42 to rent, or borrow one from a friend. It's making believers out of a lot of people who didn't like .380 subcompacts.
 
Zerodefect said:
Or the aloha snackbars. They're coming, and they hate us. Dying in the process of killing us is one of their favorite pastimes. They aren't going to give up from a few .32 hits.
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lol :D

I had to figure that snackbar comment out. After I stopped laughing, I wondered what cartridge would stop any of those type of attacks with the type of weaponry they're willing to use?
 
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grampajack said:
You might try to find a G42 to rent, or borrow one from a friend. It's making believers out of a lot of people who didn't like .380 subcompacts.
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Before I even thought of a G42 with a almost 6" barrel, I am going with a Small 9mm all day long. That said, 380, is nothing to sneeze at. Especially if you have a pocket gun that you train often with. They can be quick and deadly for sure. Also a nice 9mm revolver like the LCR is a great choice. I carry a Great Pocket gun all the Time and during winter carry it and a small 9/
 
Jeb Stuart writes:

Before I even thought of a G42 with a almost 6" barrel,
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I agree that the G42 is hardly a subcompact in the same way as a LCP, for example, is, but at 3.25 inches in length, the barrel is hardly "a almost 6" barrel."

Were you meaning to refer to the pistol's overall length? Yes, it's near enough to the size of my PF9 that I wouldn't switch the KT for it for pocket-carry.
 
MedWheeler said:
Jeb Stuart writes:



I agree that the G42 is hardly a subcompact in the same way as a LCP, for example, is, but at 3.25 inches in length, the barrel is hardly "a almost 6" barrel."

Were you meaning to refer to the pistol's overall length? Yes, it's near enough to the size of my PF9 that I wouldn't switch the KT for it for pocket-carry.
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Lol, of course meant total length. 5.94 total to be exact. I am sure they are fine weapons, but I just do not see the Point when you can get a sub-compact 9 at close to the same length and weight. The is a great benefit to a true pocket gun. And with proper practice and training, they can be quick to draw, accurate and deadly. I have had a LC9 since they first came out, a truly fine gun, but still really desire to have a Kimber Micro 9 or maybe a Kahr CM9, and the Pico for a Backup.
Or if you prefer, carry a Pocket gun with your G42. Just not for me. And that Pico will alway's be with me, not matter what I carry.
 
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grampajack said:
You might try to find a G42 to rent, or borrow one from a friend. It's making believers out of a lot of people who didn't like .380 subcompacts.
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Don't use .380, because I am a clutz. Eventually, I would load a 9X19mm into a 380, and beep-beep, BOOM! It surely is a decent caliber, I am
just not looking forward to blowing my hand off, due to my own stupidity.
 
LCP or similar would be my choice there, BUT out of what you listed I would prefer the NAA, especially if it is one with actual sights. I have never been able to shoot a derringer worth a darn... May as well throw it in my hands. The sighted NAA or LCP however I can hit things with for sure!
 
Count Les Neins said:
Don't use .380, because I am a clutz. Eventually, I would load a 9X19mm into a 380, and beep-beep, BOOM! It surely is a decent caliber, I am
just not looking forward to blowing my hand off, due to my own stupidity.
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9mm won't chamber in .380. It will work the other way around, but it doesn't cause a kaboom. It just won't cycle.

I really can't think of many calibers though that won't chamber something similar, and some of those WILL blow up without fail. 300 BLK in a .223 is a prime example. You just have to be careful with guns, that's all there is to it.

For the record, I can't think of anything that will chamber in a .380 that will blow it up. At least nothing common that's likely to just be running around your range bag. So that's probably a relatively safe caliber in that regard. But again, vigilance is what it's all about.
 
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