Anyone know of a .380 sa/da that isn't blowback?

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Do you know about obscure guns? I think my wife wants a pistol that doesn’t exist! For months we are looking for a compact sa/da pistol with a decocker that is soft shooting in .380 or .32acp. One with a slide that is extremely easy to manipulate.

Long Version:

Oh man, I feel like a chump admitting this. Especially with that other thread going. I did what everyone else seems to know what not to do. Years ago, my wife became interested in shooting. I got her a lightweight snubby and insisted she use it. She hated it and we got in a big fight about it and she refused to come to the range for years. Yeah, I was *that* guy.

Anyway, fast forward to 2015 and she found her way into a Ruger SR22. She loves that little gun. She shoots up all my our .22lr ammo as fast as I can get it. When we go camping, she is off on her own plinking beer cans before I even finish my coffee.

Now, she’s looking for a centerfire pistol. A little bit of background, she is a small person with small hands even for a woman.

These are HER requirements. I’ll explain why.

1. She wants a smaller sized gun, but NOT a pocket pistol. The most comfortable size for her is around the size of a Bersa Thunder, or Beretta Cheetah with a single stack. She managed larger full sized guns but they are not as comfortable and not what she wants.

2. She wants a pistol with easy slide manipulation. With technique, she did manage to rack the blowback pistols we saw, but she did struggle and it was unpleasant for her and also slow. The ideal pistol has a slide that she can easily and quickly manipulate.

3. She absolutely requires a hammer fired gun and strongly would prefer a sa/da gun like her sr22.

I can’t explain it, I prefer striker fired guns but she does not. She likes to actually see the hammer. She likes to thumb the hammer when she holsters it. She feels comfortable having a DA pull when the gun isn’t in use. We did try DAO guns she didn’t like them either. Her finger gets tired working that heavy trigger every shot. She deal with one DA shot and can shoot the SA well. Oh.. and it must have a decocker.

4. She wants a centerfire caliber smaller than 9mm. We’re mostly looking at .380 but .32acp is not off the table. She wants less than 9mm in her smaller pistol for all the same reasons someone with larger hands would like a 9mm in a larger pistol.

5. It would be a bonus, but not required, if the gun had classic good looks. She loved the looks of the Beretta Cheetah and the Sig p380 .

OK total Goldilocks but here is what we tried that was outside the requirements:

* Sig p380: Loved the gun, but she would “never, ever, ever” carry it condition 1. So despite all the great things about this great pistol it was decided against it.

* Glock 42: Nice shooter, but didn’t like striker. (Please, no offense meant to those that prefer them).

* Ruger SP101 4”: DA trigger strained her finger after a while at the range. Doesn’t want to have to rely on thumb cocking.

* Beretta Cheeta & Bersa Thunder in 380. Thought the cheetah was the most beautiful gun she saw in her life, but the slide on both these guns was too difficult to manipulate. Because of that they were rejected before she even got to shoot them. Are these in .32 much easier to rack?

* Walther PK380. This pistol was such a disappointment. When we found out about this pistol we eagerly drove to our gun shop. So excited, sounded like the perfect pistol. Sadly, holding it in hand it felt like “a piece of crap” (her words) and the way the safety worked was horrifying! To decock the gun you had to put the gun on safe then pull the trigger on a live round to drop the hammer. She really wanted to like this gun but that “safety” seemed straight up dangerous!


Sorry for the long ass post! Any suggestions for pistols to seek out and try would be greatly appreciated.
 
I don't believe you will find a gun that is significantly easier to rack than the Bersa,,,
The Beretta is known for having a stiff slide but it can be overcome.

In my not-so humble opinion,,,
Your wife might have better luck with a different racking technique.

Most people point the pistol in front of them and use the left hand to pull the slide back.

There is another technique where you hold the gun, in your right hand close to your chest, and point it to the left,,,
Then your left hand goes on top of the gun, grasping the slide, pushing it to the right,,,
At the same time you use the right hand to push the pistol to the left.

If anyone knows a name for this technique,,,
Will you please post it in this thread?

I own both preferred guns,,,
Bersa Thunder 380 and Beretta 85BB,,,
The 85BB has one of the stiffest slides of any pistol I own.

When I teach newbies i almost invariably run into the same problem,,,
They have trouble racking the slides and quit shooting.

A combat pistol instructor showed me this technique,,,
It has solved the problem many times more often than not.

You might try it with your lady.

One thing to remember though,,,
Turn your body 90 degrees to the right,,,
You wouldn't want to sweep the person to the left of you.

One other thing helps a lot, especially with my 85,,,
Cock the hammer before racking the slide,,,
That makes it a whole lot easier to do.

Good luck my friend,,,

Aarond

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Check out a CZ 83 in .32. It is blowback, but other than that, all your criteria are met. And the .32 should be easier to rack. And it is 15 shots or so!

Other than that... I would say... "Check out different slide techniques".
Sorry Aarond, I don't know what it is called, but that technique is how I learned to manipulate slides first. Little kids like to shoot too!
 
I don't believe you will find a gun that is significantly easier to rack than the Bersa,,,
The Beretta is known for having a stiff slide but it can be overcome.

In my not-so humble opinion,,,
Your wife might have better luck with a different racking technique.

Most people point the pistol in front of them and use the left hand to pull the slide back.

There is another technique where you hold the gun, in your right hand close to your chest, and point it to the left,,,
Then your left hand goes on top of the gun, grasping the slide, pushing it to the right,,,
At the same time you use the right hand to push the pistol to the left.

If anyone knows a name for this technique,,,
Will you please post it in this thread?

I own both preferred guns,,,
Bersa Thunder 380 and Beretta 85BB,,,
The 85BB has one of the stiffest slides of any pistol I own.

When I teach newbies i almost invariably run into the same problem,,,
They have trouble racking the slides and quit shooting.

A combat pistol instructor showed me this technique,,,
It has solved the problem many times more often than not.

You might try it with your lady.

One thing to remember though,,,
Turn your body 90 degrees to the right,,,
You wouldn't want to sweep the person to the left of you.

One other thing helps a lot, especially with my 85,,,
Cock the hammer before racking the slide,,,
That makes it a whole lot easier to do.

Good luck my friend,,,

Aarond

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https://www.corneredcat.com/article/running-the-gun/rack-the-slide/
 
Thanks for the advice, she is signed up for a Women's only pistol class series at our local range that starts in January. Hopefully, they will go over slide that slide technique you mentioned. I'll pass on the info so she can ask about it.

We'll keep an eye out for that CZ in .32. Even if it's a little easier it will help.

I guess as it stands right now shes having to choose between a p238 with an action she doesn't prefer but an easy slide, or a blowback with the action she wants but a more difficult slide.
 
Your wife sounds like mine. When it comes to guns, she is impossible to shop for.

* Sig p380: Loved the gun, but she would “never, ever, ever” carry it condition 1. So despite all the great things about this great pistol it was decided against it.

Doesn't exist. Perhaps you are thinking of the the P238?

They are a bit hard to find but show her the Beretta 3032 or the Taurus equivalent. No slide to rack at all, just a tip up barrel.
 
There is another technique where you hold the gun, in your right hand close to your chest, and point it to the left,,,
Then your left hand goes on top of the gun, grasping the slide, pushing it to the right,,,
At the same time you use the right hand to push the pistol to the left.

If anyone knows a name for this technique,,,
Will you please post it in this thread?
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Is this the technique you mean? It seemed to work well for my 75 yeaqr old mother, but she still prefers her S&W \M10 to any of my Glocks.

Kaybee, the SIG Sauer P230\232 series are indeed fine weapons, but it looks like they have been discontinued by SIG. I had a friend who carried one as an off duty\BUG for years, and it shot very well. The slide wasn't too stiff either, and certainly more user friendly than my PPK was. Just realiz that with discontinued guns, eventually parts, especially magazines dry up after awhile.

Have we completely ruled out single stack 9mms?
 
I think we would make other compromises before caliber if it meant increased recoil.
 
Has your wife looked at a Ruger LC380?

1. She wants a smaller sized gun, but NOT a pocket pistol.
Check. The LC380 is based on the larger LC9 frame, not the smaller LCP.

2. She wants a pistol with easy slide manipulation.
Check, slide weight not much more than her SR22.

3. She absolutely requires a hammer fired gun and strongly would prefer a sa/da gun like her sr22.
Hammer fired, check. DAO, however, not SA/DA, but the DA pull is light like her SR22's DA pull.

I can’t explain it, I prefer striker fired guns but she does not. She likes to actually see the hammer. She likes to thumb the hammer when she holsters it. She feels comfortable having a DA pull when the gun isn’t in use. We did try DAO guns she didn’t like them either. Her finger gets tired working that heavy trigger every shot. She deal with one DA shot and can shoot the SA well. Oh.. and it must have a decocker.
No decocker, because it is a DAO action. You can see the hammer, but you cannot thumb it. She may like the DAO pull of the LC380 because it isn't as heavy as most DAO pistols.

4. She wants a centerfire caliber smaller than 9mm. We’re mostly looking at .380 but .32acp is not off the table. She wants less than 9mm in her smaller pistol for all the same reasons someone with larger hands would like a 9mm in a larger pistol.
Check, .380 caliber.

5. It would be a bonus, but not required, if the gun had classic good looks. She loved the looks of the Beretta Cheetah and the Sig p380 .
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but since she already owns an SR22, she may like the looks of the Ruger LC380.
 
I never heard of that! That could be a winner even we can find one.

The tip up barrel Beretta 380 is the Model 86.

The system works quite well. I have the small frame Minx (22 short) and Jetfire (25 ACP), both have tip up barrels.
 
Thought the cheetah was the most beautiful gun she saw in
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Here ya go. The top gun is a Browning BDA380. Made by Beretta, essentially same gun as the Cheetah, but with the slide fully enclosed and the safety/decockers moved to the slide. This gives much better purchase for the fingers when chambering. This is the nickel plated version, but they were also available in blue. These have been discontinued for many years now, but you should be able to find one with some digging on the interweb. Not cheap, though.....but the $$ is well spent as these are built to last several lifetimes. A fantastic little gun known for easy shooting and bulletproof reliability.
 
Racking the slide across the front of the body works great. You can grip the whole slide with your less dominant hand and push across with the dominant hand. It's a lot easier for people with arthritis, like myself and, it's easier on a woman's fingernails. As far as the Beretta Cheetah, that's a blow back design, which doesn't have to be racked to chamber a round. The half cocked hammer is a double safety. A lightweight revolver is a mistake for a beginner, as there is less mass to help with recoil and muzzle flip, among other things. A .380acp is loaded to the same pressures as a. 38spl. My guess is, if you find her a lightweight .380, you're going to be in that same old boat. Without knowing what her primary use is, I would perhaps start considering the sp101 with a trigger job, if none of the above work. There is an almost endless supply of grips, and no magazine to reload. Strip clips and a couple of speed loaders and I'm off plinking. Unless it's for CC, I would stay away from the lightweight guns, as well. Keep us posted on your thoughts and experiences. Godspeed! LoL
 
A 32 H&R magnum snub. My wife has very painful wrists and can shoot 32 H&R magnum just fine, as can her mother. My daughter has been shooting that round since she was eight or nine years old.

Other than that, my Colt Government Model (380acp) almost fits the requirements. It is basically a larger version of the Mustang or Sig. It fires from a locked breech, is easy to rack, and the steel frame soaks up all of the recoil.
 
Star makes a miniature 1911 in 32. I had one and it is very nice

The other gun would be the Colt 1903 or 1908
Even though it is an old design it is thin and very easy to shoot. Still a good CCW or home defense gun. I know it isn’t SA/ DA but is still a viable choice
 
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Short Version:

Do you know about obscure guns? I think my wife wants a pistol that doesn’t exist! For months we are looking for a compact sa/da pistol with a decocker that is soft shooting in .380 or .32acp. One with a slide that is extremely easy to manipulate.

Long Version:

Oh man, I feel like a chump admitting this. Especially with that other thread going. I did what everyone else seems to know what not to do. Years ago, my wife became interested in shooting. I got her a lightweight snubby and insisted she use it. She hated it and we got in a big fight about it and she refused to come to the range for years. Yeah, I was *that* guy.

Anyway, fast forward to 2015 and she found her way into a Ruger SR22. She loves that little gun. She shoots up all my our .22lr ammo as fast as I can get it. When we go camping, she is off on her own plinking beer cans before I even finish my coffee.

Now, she’s looking for a centerfire pistol. A little bit of background, she is a small person with small hands even for a woman.

These are HER requirements. I’ll explain why.

1. She wants a smaller sized gun, but NOT a pocket pistol. The most comfortable size for her is around the size of a Bersa Thunder, or Beretta Cheetah with a single stack. She managed larger full sized guns but they are not as comfortable and not what she wants.

2. She wants a pistol with easy slide manipulation. With technique, she did manage to rack the blowback pistols we saw, but she did struggle and it was unpleasant for her and also slow. The ideal pistol has a slide that she can easily and quickly manipulate.

3. She absolutely requires a hammer fired gun and strongly would prefer a sa/da gun like her sr22.

I can’t explain it, I prefer striker fired guns but she does not. She likes to actually see the hammer. She likes to thumb the hammer when she holsters it. She feels comfortable having a DA pull when the gun isn’t in use. We did try DAO guns she didn’t like them either. Her finger gets tired working that heavy trigger every shot. She deal with one DA shot and can shoot the SA well. Oh.. and it must have a decocker.

4. She wants a centerfire caliber smaller than 9mm. We’re mostly looking at .380 but .32acp is not off the table. She wants less than 9mm in her smaller pistol for all the same reasons someone with larger hands would like a 9mm in a larger pistol.

5. It would be a bonus, but not required, if the gun had classic good looks. She loved the looks of the Beretta Cheetah and the Sig p380 .

OK total Goldilocks but here is what we tried that was outside the requirements:

* Sig p380: Loved the gun, but she would “never, ever, ever” carry it condition 1. So despite all the great things about this great pistol it was decided against it.

* Glock 42: Nice shooter, but didn’t like striker. (Please, no offense meant to those that prefer them).

* Ruger SP101 4”: DA trigger strained her finger after a while at the range. Doesn’t want to have to rely on thumb cocking.

* Beretta Cheeta & Bersa Thunder in 380. Thought the cheetah was the most beautiful gun she saw in her life, but the slide on both these guns was too difficult to manipulate. Because of that they were rejected before she even got to shoot them. Are these in .32 much easier to rack?

* Walther PK380. This pistol was such a disappointment. When we found out about this pistol we eagerly drove to our gun shop. So excited, sounded like the perfect pistol. Sadly, holding it in hand it felt like “a piece of crap” (her words) and the way the safety worked was horrifying! To decock the gun you had to put the gun on safe then pull the trigger on a live round to drop the hammer. She really wanted to like this gun but that “safety” seemed straight up dangerous!


Sorry for the long ass post! Any suggestions for pistols to seek out and try would be greatly appreciated.
Colt Pony is the only one that comes to mind
 
The closest I can think of is long discontinued and hard to find: The Taurus PT938 which is a locked-breech .380. Though it is a double stack and might be on the large side for her. But it has everything else on your list.
 
See if the EAA Tanfoglio Witness Pavona would work. It's a double stack 380, DA/SA, and I think it's a locked breech action, not a blowback.
 
The "push-pull" slide-rack technique is definitely easier. Want to make it even more so? Thumb-cock the hammer first. That removes the mainspring from the resistance, leaving only the recoil spring to work against.
 
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Here ya go. The top gun is a Browning BDA380. Made by Beretta, essentially same gun as the Cheetah, but with the slide fully enclosed and the safety/decockers moved to the slide. This gives much better purchase for the fingers when chambering. This is the nickel plated version, but they were also available in blue. These have been discontinued for many years now, but you should be able to find one with some digging on the interweb. Not cheap, though.....but the $$ is well spent as these are built to last several lifetimes. A fantastic little gun known for easy shooting and bulletproof reliability.

I've fondled one of those Browning BDA380's in several gun stores. They are sweet (and their price reflects that), but for me in a gun that size I would opt for 9mm, which is why I haven't yet purchased one. But for your wife's desires this would be a great gun to try out, the recoil in 380 I imagine would be very minimal.
 
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