S&W M&P45 M2.0 review... Its a Glock killer

When I replied to this subject my reply was an honest assessment based on my experience firing the S&W MP Gen 2 as a rental on more than one occasion. Since I have more experience with the Glock G21 I'm biased in that regard.

Not having a dog in this fight, it's strange reading "the real reasons" a gun is chosen by an agency or whatever. It almost never seems to take into account that the gun just happens to be good.

It is a Glock Killer.Glock fanboys get used to it.

I love how everyone is so upset over his title, which is clearly meant to be a hyperbole. This is a forum that anyone can post on... not a news site by "professional" journalists. What I mean by that is that nit-picking a title just seems a little over the top. It is clear that "Glock Killer" means that it can go up against a Glock and may be a better gun according to individual subjective (and perhaps even objective) standards.

So yes, the M&P can be a Glock killer on a micro individual level... i.e. I'm a guy who buys the M&P over the Glock due to competitive variables.
But no, the M&P may not be a Glock killer on a macro corporate level... i.e. Smith and Wesson will bankrupt Glock and take all its LEO contracts.

Also remember, Glock may be the Standard (established norm or requirement that others are measured against... can be considered a minimum requirement or a milestone. Standardization comes from familiarity and universal properties)
...but it is no longer the Gold Standard (Best available option under reasonable conditions).

The only reason I bring up simple semantics, is it seems everyone is arguing semantics.


On a side note, the one thing that I wish more modern guns would adopt that the Glock does (at least that I think it does) is contain so few pieces and be so user friendly when it comes to fully taking apart. I don't own a Glock, but can't it be taken apart with a simple keychain tool and only has like 34 parts? Only other guns that I know are that simple are the Makarov and the Star 30M (where the takedown pin is the tool to break down the gun). The 320 is cool with its trigger pack and modular design, but still has almost 50 parts.

But we'll see... the M&P has been around since 2005 to the Glock's 1982.

Jeepers, Creeper. Did you even read the posts?
I seriously doubt if anyone is upset. Even a Glock fanboy like me.

JeeperCreeper said:

This is a forum that anyone can post on... not a news site by "professional" journalists.

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Professionalism in journalism, today, What a joke.

rskent said:

Jeepers, Creeper. Did you even read the posts?
I seriously doubt if anyone is upset. Even a Glock fanboy like me.


Professionalism in journalism, today, What a joke.

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Well there was some spirited debate over the title being "clickbait" and so forth... maybe not upset, in a sense.

And yes, I had to put "professional" in quotes for that reason hahaha. Journalism is dead, but I still hold it to a standard that I do not hold forum posts to.

I like the 2.0, I'm thinking about buying one...

I have not shot one yet, but I keep reading good things about them.

DM

I still prefer the minimalist look of the Glock.

I was at a gun show the week after the 2.0 was released, I liked the 2.0 so much I sold a Ruger SR45 I'd brought with me to buy a 5" 9mm. But after doing the deed I just couldn't buy another 9mm and instead decided I'd wait for one in 45. Kinda sad they don't have a 5" version of the 2.0 but that's not a game changer I suppose. Until I decide to spring for a M&P then my lone p220 will have to do all the 45 work.

But first I need an air compressor for the garage and a nice river boat.

Got myself a chance to run a few mags through a M&P 2.0 and was pretty underwhelmed. While much improved, I just can't love the trigger and that pretty much dooms the platform for me.

I did like the aggressive texture quite a bit though.

Certainly won't get me to replace any of my Glocks.

Im not stanger to glocks. I own 7 right now and have had at least a half a dozen others andI'm not selling my glocks either but I do have the old model m&P 45acp compact, a full sized 9mm and a 40 shield and all of them run just as well as my glocks and feel more natural in the hand (especially if your talking full sized M&Ps compared to full sized glocks). Only problem is they have even stiffer triggers then the glock (other then my shield). In the next couple months I'm going to pick up a 2.0 in 45acp full sized to give one a try. Id say the only lacking feature to them is there triggers and supposedly the 2.0 addressed that. Like I said I'm not selling my glocks but if the 2.0 has a good trigger I probably wont buy anymore glocks. Don't know what the street prices are on the 2.0s but the old ones are about a 150 bucks cheaper then a glock and every bit as good and made in the usa.

RE-15 said:

I still prefer the minimalist look of the Glock.

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Me too. For me the simple design is clean and elegant. The M&P’s may work well, but the looks are just “busy”.

Chuck R. said:

Yup, seems like every time a new polymer pistol hits the street it's either a "Glock-Killer" or a "Game Changer". Then the newness wears off, the hype fades and it becomes just another polymer pistol.

Chuck

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That should tell us something when the recipient of the "killing" is always the same gun manufacturer.

MoreIsLess said:

That should tell us something when the recipient of the "killing" is always the same gun manufacturer.

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Indeed.