New Ruger Pistol Caliber Carbine?

You can buy the Tavor / X95 chambered in 9mm, and I really want one, but $1500 is pretty steep. I have a lot less fun shooting when I can no longer afford ammo or range fees.

Its really interesting. If real world price is sub $500 I would be tempted to pick one up to match up with my daughter's SR9. Probaby would wait for a price drop or sale though otherwise. Already have a 92fs/cx4 combo for myself.

Making it accept glock mags will obviously be a big selling point. Not for me as I only have a pair G19 mags but i am well aware of the great numbers of shooters who are well invested in Glocks and spare magazines.

It is nice that they're including a Glock mag well adapter. If you want to use Ruger American Pistol mags, you'll have to buy an additional adapter.

Ruger could have easily gone the other way with that - shipped the rifle with the SR and American Pistol magwell adapters and made the Glock adapter available for sale.

C0untZer0 said:

It is nice that they're including a Glock mag well adapter. If you want to use Ruger American Pistol mags, you'll have to buy an additional adapter.

Ruger could have easily gone the other way with that - shipped the rifle with the SR and American Pistol magwell adapters and made the Glock adapter available for sale.

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According to their own material the Ruger magwell will allow SR, American and Security 9 mags to work.

A .45 version would pair well with my G21. I have a couple of long Korean stick mags that work fine.

John_R said:

A .45 version would pair well with my G21. I have a couple of long Korean stick mags that work fine.

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Lately, I've been kicking around the idea of selling my G21, since I just don't shoot it anymore, in favor of my 17 and 26. A carbine to keep it company might make me keep it. Hmmmm

chicharrones said:

I looked into that and the dead blow weight is mounted inside the bolt. See page 34 of the pdf file.
http://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/_manuals/PC-Carbine.pdf

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Interesting, I was wondering how the two part bolt worked. It looks like the bolt head is under pressure from the firing pin return spring, but otherwise can float a bit relative to the rest of the bolt. I wonder if under firing, initially just the bolt head moves for a very short distance until it strikes the rest of the bolt? At that point the chamber pressure might be lower allowing for less bolt mass or velocity... It would be interesting to see how it all moves together during firing, Jeff Quinn said something about a two part bolt contributing to the very low recoil of this carbine. From the pictures in the instruction manual, it doesn't look like the tungsten dead blow weight moves any inside the bolt.

Either way it looks really easy to remove the bolt head, seems like caliber changes should be a snap.

Havok7416 said:

According to their own material the Ruger magwell will allow SR, American and Security 9 mags to work.

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Maybe I'm misuderstanding.

From the Ruger site it says:

Interchangeable magazine wells for use of common Ruger® and Glock® magazines. Ships with SR-Series Pistol and Security-9® magazine well installed and an additional magazine well accepting Glock® magazines is included. Ruger American Pistol® magazine well is available at ShopRuger.com.

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I took that to mean if you wanted to use American Pistol magazines you'd have to buy the adapter from the Ruger store.

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

C0untZer0 said:

I took that to mean if you wanted to use American Pistol magazines you'd have to buy he adapter from the Ruger store.

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Page 43 of the Ruger PC Carbine Manual lists three magazine wells: #38 for SR9, #40 for G9, and #41 for American 9mm.

More free 9 mm brass at the range.

You won't be able to buy one for a year because dealers will have to get in line.

gc70 said:

Page 43 of the Ruger PC Carbine Manual lists three magazine wells: #38 for SR9, #40 for G9, and #41 for American 9mm.

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The point he's making is that the PC Carbine ships with the SR & Glock magwells, but the American magwell has to be purchased separately. It's unusual for a company to not include the adapter for their own product, but instead include one for a third-party. In this case, though, I think it's an indication that the American pistol was something of a sales failure, to the point that Ruger isn't confident that an American magwell will affect PC Carbine sales significantly enough as compared to reaching out to Glock owners.

Also, 2nd review of this carbine is up.

I'm betting companies are going to make a bullpup stock for these. Even adding $300 bullpup stock, the Ruger would come in cheaper than a lot of other 9mm carbines on the market.

Does look like the front rail could be useful for a TLR-1.

Could have sworn I read that somewhere. Oh well, doesn't hurt a thing I guess.

Good luck Betas, let me know how the testing goes!!

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Yujun said:

The point he's making is that the PC Carbine ships with the SR & Glock magwells, but the American magwell has to be purchased separately. It's unusual for a company to not include the adapter for their own product, but instead include one for a third-party. In this case, though, I think it's an indication that the American pistol was something of a sales failure, to the point that Ruger isn't confident that an American magwell will affect PC Carbine sales significantly enough as compared to reaching out to Glock owners.

Also, 2nd review of this carbine is up.

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I can't see it being a sign of the RAP sales, good or bad.
It makes more sense that Glock magazines are out there in large quanities and higher capacities. SRs have been around awhile. It makes better marketing sense to make the product appeal to the crowd, in this instance, that has the available mags in their stock.

USBP379 said:

I met Jeff at Gunsite back a few years ago. We asked him why he never posted anything negative. He said his mom always told him if he couldn't say something nice he shouldn't say anything.

What he does is post reviews on guns that he likes or that work as he expects them to. He said he does get guns from manufacturers that don't function. These get sent back with nothing being posted.

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I know him personaly. Jeffs a square shooter!

I bet that someone with a good 3D printer could make an adapter for about any pistol magazine you could think of.

I'm thinking Ruger has a real winner.

nipprdog said:

Lately, I've been kicking around the idea of selling my G21, since I just don't shoot it anymore, in favor of my 17 and 26. A carbine to keep it company might make me keep it. Hmmmm

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Same here.

First Ruger PC is going to definitely be a 9mil though.

kcofohio said:

I can't see it being a sign of the RAP sales, good or bad.
It makes more sense that Glock magazines are out there in large quanities and higher capacities. SRs have been around awhile. It makes better marketing sense to make the product appeal to the crowd, in this instance, that has the available mags in their stock.

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I also think the use of Glock mags in a Ruger is easy for Ruger to swallow as Glock doesn't make a competing PCC. Definitely a plus for Ruger with the opportunity to bring over Glock pistol owners.

I'm super sold. Even without the modular cross-brand magazine adaptability, a short weighty 9mm carbine under 6 c-notes would be fun to shoot all day.

I'm seriously considering picking up a Security 9 due to the affordable price to supplement my p320. Having 3 or 4 mags to run in the PC would make it very attractive for plinking at the range or tossing in the trunk of the car to take down to the cabin.

I'm hoping to pick one of these up on the back half of 2018 once the demand slows a bit.

2018 is going to be a spendy year. Between this, the Security 9, and maybe picking up one of those stubby not-a-shotgun-but-is-totally-a-shotgun "firearms".

chicharrones said:

I also think the use of Glock mags in a Ruger is easy for Ruger to swallow as Glock doesn't make a competing PCC. Definitely a plus for Ruger with the opportunity to bring over Glock pistol owners.

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Glock owners have been screaming at Glock to make a carbine for the better part of a decade.

Guess that it was Ruger that listened. Good on Ruger for that.

I like Rugers rifles a whole lot better than most of their pistols anyway.

I'll never own a Glock again but really don't care what mags it takes. Got no problem having a few of their mags to feed this thing. Would be nice if it was compatible with XD or 92 mags but not at all a deal breaker. Actually give me an excuse to pick up a cheap SR9.

Take down model, glock mags, what’s not to like.

There are a gazillion ARs chambred in 9mm, including a bunch of AR pistols.

Do you think the advantages of this Ruger are the recoil mitigation and the take down?