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I have three Glocks,.G21sf .45 auto, G17 9mm, & G42 380,thinking about buying one more a 40,haven't made up my mind yet which one G23,or G27.I have seven 1911's.
Are Glock owners the new 1911 people?
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I've seen posts over the years from long time 1911 shooter and trainer, Tom Givens, who left the 1911 for Glock's in .40 S&W, because "the 1911 is a one or two bad guy gun, in a three or four bad guy world."
He started with a G23 because he figured it would be just like a 1911 Commander that he loves. He hated it. Next was a G22. OK, but still not good. Finally, a G35. That is now his carry gun.
His holster http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/TOM-GIVENS-PACKAGE-G34.html
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If Glock owners are the new 1911 people, what does that make us old 1911 people?
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A grumpy old stick in the mud.
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Did I mention that I really like 1911’s.
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Me too!
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No two handgun designs have as strong of a following for sure. A lot of people seem to be very blindly passionate about them.
As far as Glock people being the new 1911 people, there is a little bit of truth to that. When Glock came out it was an improvement in technology because you got a handgun that held twice as many rounds that was both more reliable and easier to carry on your hip all day. In regards to LE, I don't know if you can say a better gun has been made yet. Their are many that compete or are equal, but Glock is still the gold standard for LE even in 2018.
Where I think technology has surpassed the Glock is in micro concealed carry guns. Glock finally came out with a couple single stacks, but they really missed the bus on their single stacks if you ask me. The Glock 43 needed to be the same size as the Glock 42, and the Glock 42 needed to be the same size as other modern pocket 380's. In 2018, guns like the Sig p938 or the p238 (I don't consider micro 1911's actual 1911s in any way) blow what Glock brought to the table away. Even guns like the Kahr p380 or Ruger LCP 2 simply blow the Glock 42 away in pocket carry, yet you still see Glock guys trying to stuff that 42 in their pocket out of loyalty.
my 2 cents. Also, I own a couple Glocks and several 1911's. I
As far as Glock people being the new 1911 people, there is a little bit of truth to that. When Glock came out it was an improvement in technology because you got a handgun that held twice as many rounds that was both more reliable and easier to carry on your hip all day. In regards to LE, I don't know if you can say a better gun has been made yet. Their are many that compete or are equal, but Glock is still the gold standard for LE even in 2018.
Where I think technology has surpassed the Glock is in micro concealed carry guns. Glock finally came out with a couple single stacks, but they really missed the bus on their single stacks if you ask me. The Glock 43 needed to be the same size as the Glock 42, and the Glock 42 needed to be the same size as other modern pocket 380's. In 2018, guns like the Sig p938 or the p238 (I don't consider micro 1911's actual 1911s in any way) blow what Glock brought to the table away. Even guns like the Kahr p380 or Ruger LCP 2 simply blow the Glock 42 away in pocket carry, yet you still see Glock guys trying to stuff that 42 in their pocket out of loyalty.
my 2 cents. Also, I own a couple Glocks and several 1911's. I
walnut1704
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No. I'm still just a 1911 guy... that is when I admit to being a fan of self-loaders at all. I'm really a revolver guy so in my heart I dismiss the 1911 as the new-fangled design.
Glockers have always been the same. They're the ones that won't begin to admit other brands are anything but range toys at best. They mumble things like "your funeral" or "why would you buy that" when they see you at the range with a sidearm you claim is going to serve as a self defense firearm. They laugh at and ridicule people for being dumb enough to buy other brands. They won't ever stop no matter what the evidence may be. "It only has 3 moving parts" "I can buy magazines for .25 at the 711" "I can take parts off dead bodies" "It shoots itself" "never fails to go boom"... Yadda, Yadda, Yadda...It's who they are...it's what they do. It's who they've always been, it's who they'll always be.
I have seen very few things inspire the kind of frothing-at-the-mouth rage on the internet as the Glock vs. 1911 Debate. I'm not convinced that the criticisms leveled by 1911 owners are quite the same as the ones brought by Glock owners, though. The 1911 diehards (as opposed to simple "owners") tend to dismiss anything striker-fired or polymer. I do not see them dismissing BHPs or third-generation S&Ws in quite the same way. Glock fanboys (again, not just "owners") attack anything not made by Glock. The fanatical attitude that you see in the Glock fanboys was actually one of the things that kept me away from them for so long.
There's also an issue of "who made what." When we talk about a "1911," it could be a Colt, S&W, Ruger, Remington, Sig, Rock River, Rock Island, Les Baer, Nighthawk . . . . When we talk about a Glock, it's made by Glock.
For the record, I own both a 1911 and a Glock. I carried the 1911 for 3-4 years as my CCW, then decided it was too heavy and bought a G19. I still love my 1911, but I'm not sorry I made the switch.
I'm not so sure about Glock owners "modifying them beyond recognition," at least not for EDC/CCW/TruckGun/ETC use. I will readily admit that aftermarket support was one of the reasons I bought a Glock rather than some of the other polymer 9mm designs back when I bought my G19. It's kind of nice to know that if someone makes a widget, they make that widget to fit Glocks.
I resemble that remark.
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Drillings and Cape guns are fascinating. My prediction, if we are looking ahead, is that relics like revolvers, 1911's and bolt rifles will be the only thing available to the general public in the future. Of course I don't support that but it seems imminent to me. I honestly think we have hit the wall with new designs and the clock will start running backwards soon enough. That doesn't really bode well for Glocks or AR's. It's already a reality for 32 million people in CA, roughly 10% of the US population. The 1911 has a pretty good chance of weathering the storm for another 100 years mostly because those clueless AG lawmakers don't know what they're looking at. A 1911 might as well be a dueling pistol.
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Dinosaurs.
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No. Glock owners are not the new "1911 people".
Someone (unnamed and not linked to) wrote a magazine article suggesting that. It's one of those pieces that has a silly pointless premise that is click bait to get folks to rush over and look. Like this thread here. No real point to it, as the premise has no merit and is vaguely insulting.
Glocks are over 30 years old now. The 1911 vs. Glock debate died out a decade ago with all the juice drawn out of it by 2005 and the current generation of new shooters mostly past it except for some folks who like to insult others for no particularly useful reason and suck on the old, dried lemon peels of an old debate, now gone by.
Glock owners and 1911 owners are such a wide and diverse group, with many owning both, or not caring, that it's impossible to generalize. "Glock owners" are no more a group with common interests and views than "Fried Chicken Eaters" are.
Glock rebuilt the internals of their new pistol for the Army trials. That's of some interest. Sig built a very good version of theirs. Innovations in handguns and firearms continue.
Someone (unnamed and not linked to) wrote a magazine article suggesting that. It's one of those pieces that has a silly pointless premise that is click bait to get folks to rush over and look. Like this thread here. No real point to it, as the premise has no merit and is vaguely insulting.
Glocks are over 30 years old now. The 1911 vs. Glock debate died out a decade ago with all the juice drawn out of it by 2005 and the current generation of new shooters mostly past it except for some folks who like to insult others for no particularly useful reason and suck on the old, dried lemon peels of an old debate, now gone by.
Glock owners and 1911 owners are such a wide and diverse group, with many owning both, or not caring, that it's impossible to generalize. "Glock owners" are no more a group with common interests and views than "Fried Chicken Eaters" are.
Glock rebuilt the internals of their new pistol for the Army trials. That's of some interest. Sig built a very good version of theirs. Innovations in handguns and firearms continue.
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I saw a guy in KFC with a Glock. Never seen anyone in a KFC with a 1911. The guy was a cop. There has to be common interests here.
JR24
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I saw a guy in KFC with a Glock. Never seen anyone in a KFC with a 1911. The guy was a cop. There has to be common interests here.
I carried a 1911 in a KFC once years back.
Correlation... BROKEN!
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It's also true that 1911 owners are no more a group with a common approach than eaters of fried chicken are as well.
I was at a gun show in Arizona last year and looking at some pieces next to a group of younger men (20s and 30s) who were talking about their 1911s. They were going on about how the only 1911s worth owning were Baers', Wilsons' and Browns' and the rest unreliable and sub par. They also discussed how 9mm was a great round in the 1911. I looked and listened closely and saw that a $2,000. layout for a pistol was something they could all easily afford and took for granted, or at least acted like it. I knew I had little in common with them and their tastes in 1911s.
Stephen Camp loved Hi-Powers and his website is a testament to that, one of the best on the web still, even though he's passed. He also says there that his preferred backup semi is a Glock 26. He praises it's utility and reliability. Good man was Mr. Camp, experienced and thoughtful.
Anyway, IMHO not all 1911 or Glock owners has the same mishmash of thoughts in their heads as the ones that holler the most about past matters of "importance".
Also I gotta add that KFC fried chicken has lost it's quality. Shows a lack of judgement that folks mention that first. The pieces of chicken there are too salty and too small to be grown chickens, seems they switched to crow meat to save money. This is why where ever there's an oil spill you see a truck with KFC markings, they getting that Pelican meat cheap. No one goes to Popeye's, Lee's or Kenny Rodger's? I don't like eating a piece of fried chicken ya got to hunt for the meat under batter and "secret spices and herbs". Grocery store fried chicken has been my favorite of late. Less expensive, better tasting.
I was at a gun show in Arizona last year and looking at some pieces next to a group of younger men (20s and 30s) who were talking about their 1911s. They were going on about how the only 1911s worth owning were Baers', Wilsons' and Browns' and the rest unreliable and sub par. They also discussed how 9mm was a great round in the 1911. I looked and listened closely and saw that a $2,000. layout for a pistol was something they could all easily afford and took for granted, or at least acted like it. I knew I had little in common with them and their tastes in 1911s.
Stephen Camp loved Hi-Powers and his website is a testament to that, one of the best on the web still, even though he's passed. He also says there that his preferred backup semi is a Glock 26. He praises it's utility and reliability. Good man was Mr. Camp, experienced and thoughtful.
Anyway, IMHO not all 1911 or Glock owners has the same mishmash of thoughts in their heads as the ones that holler the most about past matters of "importance".
Also I gotta add that KFC fried chicken has lost it's quality. Shows a lack of judgement that folks mention that first. The pieces of chicken there are too salty and too small to be grown chickens, seems they switched to crow meat to save money. This is why where ever there's an oil spill you see a truck with KFC markings, they getting that Pelican meat cheap. No one goes to Popeye's, Lee's or Kenny Rodger's? I don't like eating a piece of fried chicken ya got to hunt for the meat under batter and "secret spices and herbs". Grocery store fried chicken has been my favorite of late. Less expensive, better tasting.
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WIthout entering a fruitless debate on the merits and demerits of both platforms, I have to say that you can’t really equate the owners either.
Where the true 1911 aficionado has an affinity for fine craftsmanship, has taken the time to learn and understand the intricate details of the design’s workings, its tunability, the interaction of each of its parts, and what makes it the bread-and-butter of so many pistolsmiths, custom makers, semi-custom and other manufacturers, the majority of Glock owners pick their piece from the box and blast away, gritty trigger and all, basking in the tacticool aura bestowed to that plastic block by a very savvy company.
They can splurge tons of money on fancy drop-in stamped metal parts and plastic moldings, but “craftsmanship” is definitely not a word that comes to mind when talking about a platfrom for which you can become a “Certified Armorer” with a one day course, and start a “custom smith” career with a soldering iron.
The 1911 is a great platform if you take the time to learn it, if you have the passion and dedication to get to the next level.
The Glock is a great platform if you go the way of the lesser common denominator, and do not want - or do not have the curiosity - to learn about how and why it works, and how to drive it with a stick-shift.
The die-hard fanboys of one or the other? Different people. No, the ones are not the “new” others.
Where the true 1911 aficionado has an affinity for fine craftsmanship, has taken the time to learn and understand the intricate details of the design’s workings, its tunability, the interaction of each of its parts, and what makes it the bread-and-butter of so many pistolsmiths, custom makers, semi-custom and other manufacturers, the majority of Glock owners pick their piece from the box and blast away, gritty trigger and all, basking in the tacticool aura bestowed to that plastic block by a very savvy company.
They can splurge tons of money on fancy drop-in stamped metal parts and plastic moldings, but “craftsmanship” is definitely not a word that comes to mind when talking about a platfrom for which you can become a “Certified Armorer” with a one day course, and start a “custom smith” career with a soldering iron.
The 1911 is a great platform if you take the time to learn it, if you have the passion and dedication to get to the next level.
The Glock is a great platform if you go the way of the lesser common denominator, and do not want - or do not have the curiosity - to learn about how and why it works, and how to drive it with a stick-shift.
The die-hard fanboys of one or the other? Different people. No, the ones are not the “new” others.
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Well, I suppose it might be fair to compare some Glock owners to some 1911 owners ... from the perspective of some Glock owners being able to take a good quality, new production pistol that's normally reliable in stock form, and then make it unreliable by trying to "modify" and "improve" it.
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I don’t know about “passion and dedication” nor do I seek something existential as the next level I just want a hangun that I can count on for SD, at right around $500. is where I want to be. That’s as deep as I get.
FWIW Giant Eagle has better chicken than KFC
FWIW Giant Eagle has better chicken than KFC
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Yep. But both Glock owners and 1911 owners like pistols. That's a "generalization."
Just kidding around. I'm one of those "not caring" kind of guys.
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Check out the Agency Arms website or the "Polymer 80" frames. That's my definition of "beyond all recognition". Admittedly they are still recognizable as handguns... ;-)
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