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Varminterror
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60grn Partition is THE deer and hog bullet for the 223/5.56.
Treat it like a mono-metal, give it a long jump, something like 50-60thou, and it'll group better than if you try to load it like a typical spitzer near the lands. I've never been able to get it to print those 1/2-3/4" groups so easily found with MANY other bullets like the 50 Vmax, 69 SMK, 77SMK, 55 Vmax, blah blah... But it'll come down to 1-1.2MOA which is more than tight enough for hunting or self defense.
For self defense, I think it'd do just fine, the tip expands a bit faster than a guy might expect for a lead tipped soft point - more like a polymer tipped bullet - but the shank holds together and punches through... That's really the whole premise behind the Partitions - big expansion for a fast KO, without sacrificing penetration. I don't think it'll do well on any level of armour, but it would offer the faster stops of a tipped bullet but without completely giving up on through and through penetration for rapid bleed out.
Treat it like a mono-metal, give it a long jump, something like 50-60thou, and it'll group better than if you try to load it like a typical spitzer near the lands. I've never been able to get it to print those 1/2-3/4" groups so easily found with MANY other bullets like the 50 Vmax, 69 SMK, 77SMK, 55 Vmax, blah blah... But it'll come down to 1-1.2MOA which is more than tight enough for hunting or self defense.
For self defense, I think it'd do just fine, the tip expands a bit faster than a guy might expect for a lead tipped soft point - more like a polymer tipped bullet - but the shank holds together and punches through... That's really the whole premise behind the Partitions - big expansion for a fast KO, without sacrificing penetration. I don't think it'll do well on any level of armour, but it would offer the faster stops of a tipped bullet but without completely giving up on through and through penetration for rapid bleed out.
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I load a 60gr Partition in the .223 but since it's a premium bullet it should be used on larger game like deer or hogs. I wouldn't waste a good bullet like that on varmints and the like.
For my bolt action rifle I use Varget and the ammo is more accurate that I am.
I have not loaded any for an AR style rifle because I would rather use my bolt action rifle but if that's what you have I see no reason not to use them.
For real, they are excellent bullets.
For my bolt action rifle I use Varget and the ammo is more accurate that I am.
I have not loaded any for an AR style rifle because I would rather use my bolt action rifle but if that's what you have I see no reason not to use them.
For real, they are excellent bullets.
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My exact thoughts on personal defense, limited penetration. That's why I have mags loaded staggering them with Green Tips.
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While I'm sure that setup is fine, again why? The Partitions cast a lot while the Green Tips were specifically designed as an anti-personal round.
The M855 was not designed for maximum terminal ballistic performance. As I understand it, penetration/destruction of barriers was a significant objective of its design - i.e., being able to punch through some kinds of cover, or chew through cinder block walls when run through a belt-fed SAW. Whether those things are useful for a personal defense setting is another question, but in terms of pure terminal efficacy on persons, I think some compromises were made.
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I guess I'm just "frugal" and can't stand to use an expensive hunting bullet for SD. In an SD situation you can fire three times and be done with it lol.
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I can buy meat. I put a much higher value on my life.
Not to say the Partition is the best bullet for the job, but rather to say, there is no cost too high, in protecting my most valuable asset - my life.
Not to say the Partition is the best bullet for the job, but rather to say, there is no cost too high, in protecting my most valuable asset - my life.
Assuming no barriers, people are soft, most any bullet will work if it expands at all, or even blows up. Think 55 or 60 Gr V-Max. But that isn't the question.
Deer are much tougher.
The old Winchester 64 Gr Power Point is a good choice for deer and much cheaper than the Partition for the frugal types.
But either way, you are asking a lot of the .223 for deer, so shot placement is even more critical than usual.
Deer are much tougher.
The old Winchester 64 Gr Power Point is a good choice for deer and much cheaper than the Partition for the frugal types.
But either way, you are asking a lot of the .223 for deer, so shot placement is even more critical than usual.
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This is the ONLY reason I itch just a little bit about using my go-to loads of 50 Vmax or 77smk for SD. I'm not running out to buy 10,000 of them, but the Partition might offer better barrier penetration without sacrificing rapid expansion on soft impacts. Worth a thought at least.
Yes.
Of course, I can't say (or at least under advice of Counsel, I won't admit to
) that I've shot a lot of people with them to know how they perform as a self-defense round. I can say they are very effective for euthanizing beavers caught in body traps, but for head shots when they are not stationary, I prefer the Hornady 60 grain Spire Soft Point.
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Partitions offer pretty much exactly what is desired in any SD bullet: accuracy and consistency, expansion, the ability to sufficently penetrate to a lethal depth, and they should even be better in barrier situations than a standard cup and core or varmint bullet for glass, drywall or car door penetration.
(This may be a turn off for those who worry a lot about overpenetration.)
Since a box of 50 bullets isn't all that expensive, buying two boxes and loading up cartridges to fill three 30 round mags isn't tough, plus you can have 10 to shoot for accuracy/function. (Or, naturally, you can shoot more if you buy more bullets)
I personally bought a 200 round case of Winchester Razor Boar XT rounds, and loaded my personal protection AR magazines with those. Thank the Lord I have never had to use them, but I have confidence in the bullet performing well if I did. I would feel the same with partitions if they were in my gun.
Stay safe!
(This may be a turn off for those who worry a lot about overpenetration.)
Since a box of 50 bullets isn't all that expensive, buying two boxes and loading up cartridges to fill three 30 round mags isn't tough, plus you can have 10 to shoot for accuracy/function. (Or, naturally, you can shoot more if you buy more bullets)
I personally bought a 200 round case of Winchester Razor Boar XT rounds, and loaded my personal protection AR magazines with those. Thank the Lord I have never had to use them, but I have confidence in the bullet performing well if I did. I would feel the same with partitions if they were in my gun.
Stay safe!
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I have two .22-250s but neither has a fast enough twist to stabilize bullets over 55 grs. I bought some 60 gr. partitions and tried them anyway but the results were bad. I love partitions so it was a downer for me.
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One of my AR's was design for the military with close combat in mind, 458 SOCOM . Loaded with a 300gr HP it works just fine, even puts a few hogs in the dirt. A 30 round mag only holds around 12 rounds though.
. Loaded with a 300gr HP it works just fine, even puts a few hogs in the dirt. A 30 round mag only holds around 12 rounds though.
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Yeah, those .458 Socom rounds are big cartridges!
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I was looking at a well-priced Weatherby Vanguard 22-250 synthetic at a LGS that was closing and moving to AZ. I didn't like the 1-14" twist because it really limits you to 55 gr max. varmint pills.
If it was a 1-9 (their .223 is 1/8) then I may have bought it.
I have heard that a fast twist will damage lightly constructed 50 gr bullets at the high velocities the 22-250 can generate...but I haven't ever shot one so I don't know if that's true or not.
64 gr solid base, it was made for our slow twists...just saying, might be worth a try, bonded solid base for penetration, but should still expand better than a copper...
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I have personally done this with a seven twist two twenty three. Not as impressive as I thought it would be. But smacking a two liter soda bottle with one inside of it's disintegration zone was the epitome of varmint bullet performance.
Yep.
Kind of off base, but a 350 Gr in a .458 Win Mag and a milk jug full of water at 25 yards does the same thing. Nothing but mist everywhere. Not a large drop to be seen. Spectacular.
Do you mean this bullet?
http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-bulle...rmance-protected-point-w-cannelure-100ct.html
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The info doesn't say anything about it being stable in slow-twist barrels. I'd like to know that they were suited for 1:14" twists before I invested $45 in a box of them.
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I don't think a 14 twist will stabilize that 64gr bullet but my Howa .223 with a 12 twist does. If your 22-250 won't stabilize anything over a 55gr bullet chances are it will hold true with that 64gr bullet too.
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My .22-250 (Rem M700 ADL 1/14") shoots the Hornady 60gr PtSpt and 63gr Sierra under 1" 5-shots (several powders). It shoots not so good with 65gr Sierra GK BT Spt (2-3"). Even the 70gr Speer PtSpt shoots good.
Your gun will likely shoot the 63's and 64's ok. Just don't expect it to shoot a 60gr or heavier poly-tip boat tail accurately. I once tried some 60gr Hornady V-max in both my 1/12" .223 and 1/14" .22-250. The .223 shot patterns (5-8"), the .22-250 couldn't hit the berm. However, a Bushmaster Carbine 1/9" shot bug-holes with them.
Only way to know for sure is to try...
Your gun will likely shoot the 63's and 64's ok. Just don't expect it to shoot a 60gr or heavier poly-tip boat tail accurately. I once tried some 60gr Hornady V-max in both my 1/12" .223 and 1/14" .22-250. The .223 shot patterns (5-8"), the .22-250 couldn't hit the berm. However, a Bushmaster Carbine 1/9" shot bug-holes with them.
Only way to know for sure is to try...
https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/22-250-remington/
Tested with a 1-14" as opposed to the fast twist,
Test these out:
http://www.shootersproshop.com/load...onded-solid-based-w-cannelure-blem-100ct.html
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