Lycidas Janwor
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That's on you, not on the gun.
Glock 19X to be introduced in January
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That's on you, not on the gun.
It was the handgun submitted by glock for mhs military trials. Glock loss, along with Fn, Beretta, S&W and a few others. People were hoping glock would release this handgun to the civilian market just like Fn did with the 509, S&W did with the 2.0, and Beretta did with APX. And now Sig is releasing the XM17 in the exact configuration with and without the manual safety, one of which has the same full size grip and compact slide just like the other guns mentioned. Let’s see if they receive all the “I don’t get it” commentary glock has gotten over this 19X. I bet it won’t. I wonder when the colt commander was introduced decades ago was everybody saying “What the hell is colt doing? Why would they make a full size frame with a compact slide?”. I highly doubt it because back then people seemed to like more options and had better things to do than complain about a gun that doesn’t fit their application of a handgun. What’s so hard to understand that this gun wasn’t created to be the next greatest thing in the conceal carry market? And with all this “why didn’t glock make a g19 grip with a g17 slide?” harping going on I’m sure a 17X is in the works if glock is listening, which they have done more so in the last 5 years or so than the previous 25. I’m no glock appologist, I like the g19x because it shoots well and fits my application of a handgun. The upgrades such as factory night sights and 19 round mags are an added benefit. Especially since I got mine for cheapon than a stock gen5. If you don’t like it don’t buy it, it’s really that simple. Or go and complain about every other handgun that every company makes that doesn’t fit your needs. That may take a while
Lycidas Janwor
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I'm hoping Glock makes the 17X because that's a pistol that makes sense and I'll buy. Let's be real here, Glock made the gimmicky 19X to generate sales. Fine. Go sell more guns, Glock. But your whole "well, these other manufacturers have similar products so Glock is getting in on the market" does not address my initial question: Why was the Glock 19 created, what's its purpose?
Anyhow, I respect everyone's opinion on this matter, and I hope I've clearly communicated my dissatisfaction with Glock's marketing.
If you still don’t get why this gun was made you never will and nobody will ever be able to explain it to you. A good place to start would be looking at the criteria the military had for the mhs competition. This isn’t a regular G19. The G19 and G19X were created with two totally different concepts in mind.
These are some of the guns submitted for the mhs trial, do you see a a reoccurring theme here?
Yeah I’m really liking the Detonics and the Sphinx. I may need to grab one if not both of those in the future, if the wife lets me haha
WestKentucky
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I was trying to figure out the sphinx. Looks nice but that Detonics just looks amazing. Too bad they are all built to be as cheap as possible to minimize the bid for an item that our military servicemen may be forced to trust their lives to. No matter how pretty they may be, I feel like they are all afflicted by a bit of lipstick-on-swine-itus simply because of the way they were bid.
GunnyUSMC
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I have the Beretta APX. The 19x will look good next to it.
helitack32f1
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Pretty simple answer to this question: the Glock 19 was made as a compact version of the Glock 17, a gun that was deemed to be a failure and immediately ceased production due to the fact that the grip was way WAY to long for concealed carry.
Seriously though, your question still shows that you have no concept of the fact that the 19X was created solely to cater to the MHS requirements, not YOU and not conceal carriers specifically. That is what dictated their specs for the gun just as the other guns such as the FN 509 etc. Now, to illustrate that this is an issue people ONLY have with Glock, why are you not going to the FN threads and asking what the purpose of the FNS-9C is and talking about the "Gimmicky" FN 509? Or the S&W, or the Beretta or Sig? No one else is doing that either.
For whatever reason, this type of gun and Glock's reason for introducing it, the fact that it was their gun for the MHS, is only a sin when Glock does it. It should be called GDS, Glock Derangement Syndrome.
Why is Glock selling it to the public now? Because people asked for it, people want it and people are willing to pay for it and Glock will make money by selling it. There does not need to be any other reason.
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GunnyUSMC
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Thank you.
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What I still don't understand is that the whole compact barrel and full size grip has been around longer than the 9mm cartridge and yet no one has been bothered by it until Glock made their own and it's only the 19X that people are fixated on. I've never understood this.
I still don't see why this is getting so much pushback. Glock is simply doing what just about every other pistol maker has done. 4" barrels with a full size grip are nothing new. I don't see it as some sort of gimmick.
I would say they are a little late to the party, but it appears that this is what the military asked for. The FN 509 is the exact same set up, just like their other pistols. SIG has has the Carry model for some time.
I have to say that the 19x is growing on me if only for the color. I have tons of black pistols, and I really dislike stainless two tones. The color of the 19x is pretty cool. I saw that Rural King had them as well. Maybe one day
I would say they are a little late to the party, but it appears that this is what the military asked for. The FN 509 is the exact same set up, just like their other pistols. SIG has has the Carry model for some time.
I have to say that the 19x is growing on me if only for the color. I have tons of black pistols, and I really dislike stainless two tones. The color of the 19x is pretty cool. I saw that Rural King had them as well. Maybe one day
As the Glock VP explained it, the MHS essentially required TWO pistol sizes, or the modular ability to create TWO different sizes.
One was a full-sized full-capacity pistol for standard issue, the other was a shorter pistol for more compact issue.
Since Glock obviously does not produce a modular frame pistol, or a configurable one, they took the approach of combining the two concepts into one pistol that technically met both end requirements.
Whether that approach makes sense as a general-market pistol or not, it apparently met the MHS requirements sufficiently to be allowed to participate in the initial testing phase.
I can't fault Glock for offering it as another option on the civilian market.
There are those who like something other than black.
There are those who like the slide/frame configuration.
It comes with steel sights.
It comes with two larger cap mags.
The lanyard loop is easily removed.
It has a halfway decent trigger.
It's built with the latest Glock internal upgrades.
If you don't like it, just don't buy it.
I don't understand all the hate & discord this thing is generating.
Denis
One was a full-sized full-capacity pistol for standard issue, the other was a shorter pistol for more compact issue.
Since Glock obviously does not produce a modular frame pistol, or a configurable one, they took the approach of combining the two concepts into one pistol that technically met both end requirements.
Whether that approach makes sense as a general-market pistol or not, it apparently met the MHS requirements sufficiently to be allowed to participate in the initial testing phase.
I can't fault Glock for offering it as another option on the civilian market.
There are those who like something other than black.
There are those who like the slide/frame configuration.
It comes with steel sights.
It comes with two larger cap mags.
The lanyard loop is easily removed.
It has a halfway decent trigger.
It's built with the latest Glock internal upgrades.
If you don't like it, just don't buy it.
I don't understand all the hate & discord this thing is generating.
Denis
As a brand new owner of a 19X, and my first Glock to boot, I have to say that the way the 19X fit my hand, points and feels were the absolute selling points. I was looking for a Glock specifically so that I can shoot GSSF matches, so it wasn't exactly purchased on a whim. I know the 34 is ubiquitous for competition, but for whatever reason the 17s, 19s and 34s I handled just didn't never felt right, but as soon as I picked up the 19X I handed over my credit card. Ergonomics are important to me and it just felt right.
After 30 years of waiting for Glock to put out a usable grip, I've given up.
At this point, I doubt they ever will.
I had to stick the Hogue Handall on the one here to give it at least a bit of a palm swell, but it's still not what it could & should be.
All in all, this model would be the one I'd go with, if I ever carried a Glock again.
In the meantime, if you like it, buy it.
If you don't, don't.
Denis
At this point, I doubt they ever will.
I had to stick the Hogue Handall on the one here to give it at least a bit of a palm swell, but it's still not what it could & should be.
All in all, this model would be the one I'd go with, if I ever carried a Glock again.
In the meantime, if you like it, buy it.
If you don't, don't.
Denis
I dont get your point, your put off because the barrel/slide is a little shorter, why? What exactly are your results by changing barrel length by 1/2 inch?
Homerboy
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I love Berettas and have owned many. Personally, I think the army should have gotten the M9A3 since they could save on not having to buy magazines and many parts. Handguns aren’t a primary weapon and the M9 has served honorably for over 30 years.
But I wouldn’t own the APX either. Has none of the Beretta style and grace, and it doesn’t have a safety. Happy now? I said something bad about my favorite pistol manufacturer!
But I wouldn’t own the APX either. Has none of the Beretta style and grace, and it doesn’t have a safety. Happy now? I said something bad about my favorite pistol manufacturer!
helitack32f1
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Don’t feed it!
GunnyUSMC
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I carried the M9. Hated it. Bought a 92FS, my son loved it, I gave it to him.
Got him a M&P 9, he didn’t like it, traded him a Glock 17 Gen4 for it, he’s happy. He told me that he can’t wait for me to get the 19X, I think he’s going to try and talk me out of it.
My son is 20 and has been shooting handguns since he was 9. I have bought some handguns just for the two of us to try out. He a fan of the 1911and is trying to get me to give him my Kimber, and has laid claim to my Colt 1911that was built in 1918. He doesn’t care for the Glock 19, says the grip is to short.
My son doesn’t always like the guns I like, but that’s his choice. I just make sure that he is proficient with the ones he likes before I give them to him.
I was going to wait to get the 19X on a LEO discount, but that may be a two or three month wait. I decided to pick the one up that the local shop has on my way home today, but they had already sold it.
Got him a M&P 9, he didn’t like it, traded him a Glock 17 Gen4 for it, he’s happy. He told me that he can’t wait for me to get the 19X, I think he’s going to try and talk me out of it.
My son is 20 and has been shooting handguns since he was 9. I have bought some handguns just for the two of us to try out. He a fan of the 1911and is trying to get me to give him my Kimber, and has laid claim to my Colt 1911that was built in 1918. He doesn’t care for the Glock 19, says the grip is to short.
My son doesn’t always like the guns I like, but that’s his choice. I just make sure that he is proficient with the ones he likes before I give them to him.
I was going to wait to get the 19X on a LEO discount, but that may be a two or three month wait. I decided to pick the one up that the local shop has on my way home today, but they had already sold it.
Homerboy
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It’s my favorite gun. Slide feels like it’s rolling on greased ball bearings. I only have one left, the Vertec version. Straight backstrap feels much better to me. I get the military is going with a modular system, but handguns play such a small part in combat, and live it or hate it, by the M9 has been doing its job and doing it well for over 30 years. Just didn’t see a good reason for change.
I’m sure the Glock 19X isn’t a piece of junk. I’m sure it works well. But it surely isn’t for me, and neither is the APX. Makes the 9000 look sexy!
TomJ
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The market will determine whether the 19X "should exist". If enough people buy them, there's your answer. There was obviously a demand for them. If they can't move them, there's your answer as well. As far as your comment in post 303, of course Glock wants to generate sales, as does any business. If they believe they can produce a product that will make them profitable, why wouldn't they produce it? I don't know that there's ever been a product that was the right fit for 100% of consumers. The 19X may not be your cup of tea, but others like it based on posts you see on this forum.
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