Is this time different - is this a tipping point?

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I'd also say that every school shooting is going to be like this one from here on. Kids will be documenting the fear with video from the inside. It's real and it's palpable. And can be lived over and over with a click of the mouse.

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How about the people who didn't want to buy or sell a gun on Armslist?

I'm curious about whether their perspectives have changed. Maybe they would still rather have the govt. storing a record (to later be deleted?) of all of their gun deals, unless dealing with a friend or family member.

Even if a certain type of rifle were to become banned, which is Unlikely, the rest would still be "grandfathered". An "Assault Weapons Ban" (if like the last one) would Not ban the gun, just a few evil features.
 
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GEM said:
Now how you do that with 5 to 12 million of them in circulation is a different problem.
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One of the least talked about issues with Australia's ban and buy back is that they know they did not get anywhere near all the banned guns. I have seen numbers that estimate that they are "comfortable" with the perhaps 25% that were turned in.

Canadian compliance with bans was hovering just under 10%, which is one of the reasons that their registry was defunded. (That, and it was silly--you can get 18" Norinco M-14 clones all day, or Mini-14, but nothing that even looks like an AR.)
 
Ignition Override said:
Even if a certain type of rifle were to become banned, which is Unlikely, the rest would still be "grandfathered". An "Assault Weapons Ban" (if like the last one) would Not ban the gun, just a few evil features[/QUO
Sadly. the antis learned from the AWB.
In all likelihood, they'd just move the AR (and every other like thing they can pile on) over to Title II, and not bother with an Amnesty. Would be just like finding out Grampa Jack stashed an StG-44 over the garage--off to the smelter with it.
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This one definitely seems to have more lasting effects from people than the last ones.
 
huntsman said:
Tipping point? That was Sandyhook, One could draw the conclusion that is why Remington in filing for Bankruptcy.

Tipping point for the FBI ? It seems when the mass shooting is investigated and the shooter was known to them proir to one could question their judgment and or motives.
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I would say the reason that Remington is restructuring is simply increased competition.
 
The only difference is that this is the first school mass shooting to occur under Trump's admininstration. The antis have had their agenda machine in wings ready to go and have been hoping and waiting for this incident to happen since Trump took office.
 
KYregular said:
I would say the reason that Remington is restructuring is simply increased competition.
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No after Sandy hook Calpers and Calstrs dumped any investment that made Firearms, Cerberus moved Freedom Group(Remington Outdoors) into a different investment project, after SH most public pensions won’t touch any firearm company stocks.
 
huntsman said:
No after Sandy hook Calpers and Calstrs dumped any investment that made Firearms, Cerberus moved Freedom Group(Remington Outdoors) into a different investment project, after SH most public pensions won’t touch any firearm company stocks.
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Maybe a bit of an overstatement considering some of largest teacher retirement pensions, including CA and NY, invest in firearms stocks.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...nt-funds-in-12-states-hold-gun-company-stocks

Pension funds managed for public school teachers in at least a dozen U.S. states, including New York and California, own stocks issued by the makers of firearms. Some states such as Florida own shares of American Outdoor Brands Corp., the company previously known as Smith & Wesson
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so was “most public pension” an exaggeration or a prognostication ;)

I think because of the last administration(record gun sales) firearms companies didn’t feel the full effect of divestiture, if Sandy Hook was the tipping point then Florida could be the point of no return with firearms companies investments.
 
vito said:
I think that this event will bring about more pressure on 2nd Amendment supporters than any other past mass shooting. Some of the reasons for this have already been pointed out, but one additional factor is present. Right now the Democrats have literally nothing to push to get the edge they want in the Nov 2018 midterm elections. They were counting on the public being unhappy with the tax reform bill, but to their dismay it is becoming increasingly liked by the public. They are throwing all of their energy into this issue because they think it may be the one issue on which they can win back Congress. Having a President who already, this early in the progression of this event, has agreed to several things highly desired by the anti gun advocates, including raising the age of buying any firearm to 21, universal background checks (which will become a national registration database, so hold on to the guns that the government does not know you have because they will know of all new ones, even if bought from a friend or relative), banning of "bump stocks" and I fear that he will crumble on AR15 style rifles. If the President shows some willingness to ban semi auto military looking rifles, most of his Republican supporters in Congress will fold as well. If you don't have an AR, but want one, I would strongly suggest getting one in the next couple of weeks, at most. I think we as supporters of the 2nd Amendment are in for a rough ride. What we should be doing right now is trying to convince every single gun owner we know to join the NRA if not already a member.
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If you believe that the NRA actually has your back I would encourage you to do more research, there has not been a gun ban written that the NRA was not involved in drafting. They are 100% behind the bump stock ban, they were 100% behind the last assault weapons ban, they were 100% behind the gun control act of 68, they were 100% behind the gun control act of 34. They are in the business of making money on scaring people about losing the rights they are helping to take away behind closed doors. They are not on our side, they are not pro 2A, they are pro make themselves richer...

It is time to cut of their cash flow and send the money to an organization that actually cares about 2A rights with no compromise like Gun Owners of America.
 
Creature said:
The only difference is that this is the first school mass shooting to occur under Trump's admininstration. The antis have had their agenda machine in wings ready to go and have been hoping and waiting for this incident to happen since Trump took office.
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Probably right on this one.
 
Navy_Chief said:
If you believe that the NRA actually has your back I would encourage you to do more research, there has not been a gun ban written that the NRA was not involved in drafting. They are 100% behind the bump stock ban, they were 100% behind the last assault weapons ban, they were 100% behind the gun control act of 68, they were 100% behind the gun control act of 34. They are in the business of making money on scaring people about losing the rights they are helping to take away behind closed doors. They are not on our side, they are not pro 2A, they are pro make themselves richer...

It is time to cut of their cash flow and send the money to an organization that actually cares about 2A rights with no compromise like Gun Owners of America.
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Umm... no. First off, the NRA was not the same organization at that time that it is now. The NRA-ILA, which is the portion of the NRA that is dedicated to lobbying for our rights, wasn't created until 1977. The NRA itself was mainly "just a gun club" until that point, although it was the largest gun club and did dabble in policy. For example, we have the NRA to thank for the GCA of '68 not including a national registry and database of gun ownership. That seriously was on the table, and that's one of the few well documented and known examples of the NRA's involvement in guiding that policy. Further, the NRA was instrumental in pushing for the FOPA of '86, which reversed many of the more onerous portions of the GCA of '68.

Further cite a reference that the NRA back the '94 AWB. The NRA spokesman at the time, William Mcintyre, came out publicly against it. I will even link the news article if you like...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/..._brady-bill-ban-assault-weapons-violent-crime

The NRA is not without it faults, but no other organization has furthered our individual 2A rights more than they have and anyone who is intellectually honest knows it.
 
I will tell you that the propaganda is selling a lot of rifles. I was in a reloading store this afternoon for a couple pounds of powder and the owner said they sold 6 months of ars in the last week and a half.
 
Even if a certain type of rifle were to become banned, which is Unlikely, the rest would still be "grandfathered".
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Not necessarily....confiscation IS the stated goal of Pelosi, Bloomberg et al.

This one definitely seems to have more lasting effects from people than the last ones.
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Better and faster instant communication fueled by a rabid liberal political agenda and media

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Those games are played around the world. Why are these countries not affected the same way?
Lack of access to guns
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Not really, LOTS of guns all over the world; we just seem to make more of deal about them (on both sides of the aisle) than anyone else.
 
Not from a specific retail ammo perspective.
.223 ammo prices on Gunbot spiked immed. two days after Newtown.

This moment on Gunbot (ammo search engine), the lowest prices have not gone up, at least not for the huge selection of steel-cased ammo. It jumped Immediately after Newtown.

Retail gun shops--whether demand is much higher or not--have huge incentives to push any plausible warnings to increase any and all sales. Many people seem unable to comprehend this. It's the classic German/Russian fear of encirclement
Have people forgotten what happened at least once, since the '08 election?
 
Ignition Override said:
Not from a specific retail ammo perspective.
.223 ammo prices on Gunbot spiked immed. two days after Newtown.

This moment on Gunbot (ammo search engine), the lowest prices have not gone up, at least not for the huge selection of steel-cased ammo. It jumped Immediately after Newtown.

Retail gun shops--whether demand is much higher or not--have huge incentives to push any plausible warnings to increase any and all sales. Many people seem unable to comprehend this. It's the classic German/Russian fear of encirclement
Have people forgotten what happened at least once, since the '08 election?
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We are talking about the behavior of crowds. To figure out how dumb a crowd will behave, you usually find the dumbest member of the crowd and divide their IQ by the number of people in the crowd.

ARs are selling briskly. Over the course of this week, the price of an M&P Sport II AR has gone up $50 at Bud's.
 
brewer12345 said:
We are talking about the behavior of crowds. To figure out how dumb a crowd will behave, you usually find the dumbest member of the crowd and divide their IQ by the number of people in the crowd.

ARs are selling briskly. Over the course of this week, the price of an M&P Sport II AR has gone up $50 at Bud's.
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Yeah, but...$50 on an AR...back in early 2013 Colt 6920's were going for $3,000...PMAGs were as high as $100 each...and 5.56 brass ammo was $1/round...with most websites completely sold out of all of the above.

Currently you can get a Colt 6920 with Magpul furniture for less than $1,000...magazines for $10-$12 each...and IMI M193 5.56 for $0.24 per round delivered
 
Warp said:
Yeah, but...$50 on an AR...back in early 2013 Colt 6920's were going for $3,000...PMAGs were as high as $100 each...and 5.56 brass ammo was $1/round...with most websites completely sold out of all of the above.

Currently you can get a Colt 6920 with Magpul furniture for less than $1,000...magazines for $10-$12 each...and IMI M193 5.56 for $0.24 per round delivered
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Hopefully that remains the case. There was a lot of slack in the pipeline, so it would take a pretty big demand surge to tighten things up that much. That said, Palmetto now says there will be a 5 business day delay to process orders.
 
"... NRA were 100% behind the last assault weapons ban ..."
Diane Feinstein press release for Assault Weapon Ban 2017: "The first Assault Weapons Ban was just starting to show an effect when the NRA stymied its reauthorization in 2004."

I guess NRA were 100% behind the last assault weapon ban ... trying push it down a flight of stairs. Or something.
 
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