This could be said of literally any cartridge though - load it longer and/or hotter than SAAMI and it gets faster. The same is true of .308. I'd say a fair comparison is what can be done within the SAAMI spec.
Remember though that .30-06 has a long history of under-performing, and most of it's reputation as a "great" cartridge is built on slower loadings that can be duplicated exactly.
Just out of curiosity, I looked at all the offerings Midway had of .30-06 with 190gr or heavier bullets. There was exactly one load (a DoubleTap 200gr load) that couldn't be duplicated in .308 within SAAMI spec using a temp-insensitive powder. The rest were just over-elongated .308 loads
But you are more likely to run into a magazine length issue with the .308 which limits them to 2.9 at most? like i said I dont care for the .308 so im not horribly familiar with what magazine length are available.
That has little to do with the effectiveness of a specific round for the species. A 180 pound deer weighs 50 pounds more than a 130 pound deer. The 50 additional pounds is more or less evenly distributed over a larger surface area- the larger body. It isn't 50 additional pounds of material stacked over the vitals, negatively impacting the capabilities or performance of the round in question. And at the end of the day, shot placement is always king.
A lot more than "some". several hundred thousand were made and never delivered to the Russians.The army bought a lot of the Remingtons and a lot of the New England Westinghouse rifles ended up in Finland. I have one, a very early gun, with a 31" barrel and no upper hand guard . Never had one. It has the "SA" stamp , in a rectangle, on the barrel. No import stamps. It is one of the most accurate milsurps I own.
Therein lies the beauty of Tikka rifles (something I did not appreciate until I needed it in my 7mm-08) - you can run "short action" calibers out nice and long if you want. My 162 ELD-X's are running at 2.94" in my 7mm-08 with just a simple bolt stop and magazine modification. I'll never buy a Remington 700 for this very reason.
This is the idea that it seems so many people have a hard time accepting. I was telling my buddy that the 7mm bullet doesn't care what caliber it was fired from once it's in the air. It only matters how fast it's going, where it hits and what it's made of. And those are not caliber specific.
Skylerbone, I have absolutely no reason to like my old 30-30 as much as I do, other than the fact that it was a Christmas gift from my dad when I was 14, it's a pre-64 and it has that buttery smooth lever action, it most definitely has that "cool factor" and low and behold it's killed a lot of critters for me dead as a hammer. But when you start comparing ballistics and accuracy, it loses even to my little 'ol 7.62x39 bolt action hands down. But I still love that gun.
So your argument is that because 220gr .308 is not in two of the least comprehensive reloading guides that it's not a thing? There's 54 published loads I know of for .308 220 grain ranging from softballs up to 2450 (Handloader #57). And the actual temp-stable velocity champ is RL16, which is good for right at 2500 in a 24" at SAAMI max length and pressure.
Heck, even the .30-06 is more useful.Whenever I come across people likeWas discussing my affinity for the 7x57 and 7mm-08 as a hunting calibers with a friend the other night and another good friend of mine chimed in the conversation to say he hated the 7mm-08. His reason? He said he saw "too many" deer wounded with one several years ago. So I started asking him the details and it turns out that he took a neck shot on a doe at 50 yards that resulted in an 18-hour tracking job. Said that several others at that same hunt also wounded and lost deer using the 7mm-08.
But (get this) he goes on to tell us that he's a die-hard .243 fan for deer and also likes the .308.
I was like, so you are a fan of the caliber on either side of the 7mm-08, but the 7mm-08 is only good for wounding deer?
At that point he started to get a bit upset so I just let it go.
Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?
Whenever I have discussions with folks like your friend, A couple of quotes coming to mind: "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still", and " Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!"Was discussing my affinity for the 7x57 and 7mm-08 as a hunting calibers with a friend the other night and another good friend of mine chimed in the conversation to say he hated the 7mm-08. His reason? He said he saw "too many" deer wounded with one several years ago. So I started asking him the details and it turns out that he took a neck shot on a doe at 50 yards that resulted in an 18-hour tracking job. Said that several others at that same hunt also wounded and lost deer using the 7mm-08.
But (get this) he goes on to tell us that he's a die-hard .243 fan for deer and also likes the .308.
I was like, so you are a fan of the caliber on either side of the 7mm-08, but the 7mm-08 is only good for wounding deer?
At that point he started to get a bit upset so I just let it go.
Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?
7x57, to the best of my knowledge, has never been a com-block caliber. 7.62x39 and 7.62 x 54R, yes; but 7x57, no."
I used to own the XP-100 in 7MM BR - that was fun, and very accurate, to shoot - always thought that would make a coyote/antelope rifle good to 250 yards or so
So your argument is that because 220gr .308 is not in two of the least comprehensive reloading guides that it's not a thing? There's 54 published loads I know of for .308 220 grain ranging from softballs up to 2450 (Handloader #57). And the actual temp-stable velocity champ is RL16, which is good for right at 2500 in a 24" at SAAMI max length and pressure.
As far as the .338WM, it's a horrible dangerous game rifle. In all such circumstances your would be far, far better off with a .375. And as a plains game rifle, it has nothing to offer over the .264 except less reach and a sore shoulder. It really is the worst of all possible worlds
