What is the current status of bump fire stocks?

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A buddy of mine is considering the purchase of a bump fire stock, and he doesn’t even own an AR. He wants to buy it for an investment, and asked me if I knew if the current legislation would grandfather in those bumpstocks owned prior to the law going into effect? If he buys one now, can he put it on a gun at some point in the future, and not have his gun confiscated? Thanks in advance for you4 help!
 
It may end up depending on where he lives. Washington State just passed SB 5992 today and put it on the Democratic governors desk. It will prohibit the use, manufacturing and possession of a bump stock. It does allow for the State Patrol to create a buy-back program. They will be able to pay you $150 for the stock. Starting in July 2019 it will be a felony to possess a bump stock in Washington State.

The governor is expected to sign the bill
 

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What is current status? Oh that's simple. NO one including some on here, thought it was a big deal. Some, again even on here, though tit was a good sacrificial lamb to throw to the pack of wolves circling our beloved 2A.
THEN COMES ANOTHER EVENT and now those wolves are back...for...more. And in the pack mentality even others who would not normally go with, are going with.

Sorry, one little lamb has been forgotten. After all, look at all those wolves
 
Good chance they will be outlawed nationally. It would be an exceedingly poor "investment" to buy one.
 
I would be a bad investment in Minnesota if HF-2781 passes. It would include Bump (slide) stocks into the definition of Trigger Activators, which current legislation 609.67, subdivision 2 prohibits "...owns, possesses, or operates..."
 
I would say it is a bad investment. All indications are that they will probably end up being banned. I haven’t heard anything about a possibility if existing ones may be grandfathered, registered, or who knows.
 
What is current status? Oh that's simple. NO one including some on here, thought it was a big deal. Some, again even on here, though tit was a good sacrificial lamb to throw to the pack of wolves circling our beloved 2A.
THEN COMES ANOTHER EVENT and now those wolves are back...for...more. And in the pack mentality even others who would not normally go with, are going with.

Sorry, one little lamb has been forgotten. After all, look at all those wolves

I could sit here all day and not even come close to a response as good as this one.
 
Regardless of if they are banned for possession or not, I can't see many surrendering them if it passes.

All battles regarding the 2A are worth battling, every single inch lost is an inch we will never regain.

If, per say, I were to have one, still in the package even, I shalt not be surrendering ANYTHING to thy crown.
 
Looks like if he does not own one already the answer is------out of stock! Whether he wants one or not. They might actually be banned in a lot of places as well. I will also fight to keep them though I personally do not want one.;)
 
Washington Governor Jay Inslee signed it into law today. It gives the State Patrol a year to complete a buy back program. The law will take effect the beginning of July 2018, and make the possession or use of a bump-stock a class 3 felony, punishable by 5 years and/or $10,000 fine in July 2019.
 
I don't like the way the issue has been handled thus far with reversed rulings and vague definitions. And banning something that has been misused ONCE that we know of is a horrible precedent, BUT:

If the law can coherently define and describe the stock as A TYPE of full-auto modification, then it is clearly fair game. And I think this is quite possible.

The device is designed to store recoil energy and use it to push the trigger against the trigger finger. There is no debate about this. It is a different approach than a traditional full-auto but the goal is the same. To trip the sear automatically. You can also store this energy using your arms or other off-the-wall techniques but the difference is the stock was designed to do this. There may be a good counterargument to this. I don't know.

The law may be too broadly written though and anything that simply bans items which would enable an increased ROF would be hopelessly vague.

It could certainly be argued that the 2nd amendment protects full-auto weapons but in the real world it's probably a losing battle.
It could truly be said that the bumpstock's lawful use far outstrips its illegal use, but the legal use amounting primarily to entertainment would take some of the weight from that approach.
 
I don't like the way the issue has been handled thus far with reversed rulings and vague definitions. And banning something that has been misused ONCE that we know of is a horrible precedent, BUT:

If the law can coherently define and describe the stock as A TYPE of full-auto modification, then it is clearly fair game. And I think this is quite possible.

The device is designed to store recoil energy and use it to push the trigger against the trigger finger. There is no debate about this. It is a different approach than a traditional full-auto but the goal is the same. To trip the sear automatically. You can also store this energy using your arms or other off-the-wall techniques but the difference is the stock was designed to do this. There may be a good counterargument to this. I don't know.

The law may be too broadly written though and anything that simply bans items which would enable an increased ROF would be hopelessly vague.

It could certainly be argued that the 2nd amendment protects full-auto weapons but in the real world it's probably a losing battle.
It could truly be said that the bumpstock's lawful use far outstrips its illegal use, but the legal use amounting primarily to entertainment would take some of the weight from that approach.

Actually, the stock does not store energy, your left arm is 'storing' the energy. The stock merely lets the firearm reciprocate against your trigger finger using your left arm (assuming you're right-handed) as the opposing force.
 
Bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal in MA.
Legislation was past in November of last year. In mid January of this year a letter was mailed to everyone issued a MA gun license including non residents. This letter stated that these devices will become illegal to own as of 2/1/2018. According to the letter, the only legal method of disposal of these devices was to turn them over to police.
There is no compensation being offered.
In fact I heard our Republican governor Charlie Baker make a comment in an interview about them only being a few hundred dollars so taking them wasn't a big deal.
I believe only a few have been turned in, but I'd doubt that many were here anyway.
 
Actually, the stock does not store energy, your left arm is 'storing' the energy. The stock merely lets the firearm reciprocate against your trigger finger using your left arm (assuming you're right-handed) as the opposing force.

I don't have one and have never used one, but as I understand it there is a spring in the buttstock. That is what stores the energy then pushes the action and trigger forward against the shooter's finger. In theory, the gun will fire until the shooter releases his trigger finger. When it works properly.

I admit that it is different from normal full autos and there may be a defense of it. I'm not sure how cranks and things were banned which do not automatically pull the trigger but rather depend on continued action by the shooter to fire multiple rounds.

The bumpstock basically just requires the shooter to hold a static position to continue firing. A crucial distinction in my layman's opinion.
 
I would not consider buying items that may be outlawed or discontinued as an investment. There are far better uses for the $. If you have enough $ to warrant a good financial advisor, I'd suggest that.

I run across such speculation on watch forums where people think a certain Rolex will be discontinued, they want to buy one (or more) and put it in the safe for X years. I don't get it, never will.
 
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