Sig 220 Elite shoots low

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hello friends have a Sig 220 Elite that says is suppose to be adjustable rear sight however turning the adjustment with the allan wrench doesn't change anything I hear it clicking but the sight doesn't move, am I missing something? I used a 6 o clock hold on the orange
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Old Dog said:
Are you using a 6 o'clock hold? If so, that's why your POI is lower than your POA.
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yes 6 o clock hold on the orange but the fact is that sight is suppose to be adjustable but it won't move was hoping others with experience on this rear sight might have advice
 
Those sights should both have a little number on the side to indicate their height. Are they both the same number? It sounds like the rear is already all the way up.
 
AZAndy said:
Those sights should both have a little number on the side to indicate their height. Are they both the same number? It sounds like the rear is already all the way up.
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front sight marked MH13 AM rgw rear sight no marking and the manual doesn't have any instructions on adjusting the sights so maybe file the front sight? but hate to do that being the rear sight is suppose to adjust
 
Old Dog said:
Are you using a 6 o'clock hold? If so, that's why your POI is lower than your POA.
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Adjustable sights should compensate for a 6:00 hold. It is common for shooters to "hold" at 6:00 (POA) to get a clearer aim/sight picture (black sights contrasting with the target's white background) and expect a good shot to hit the x-ring (POI). The op's sight may have run out of adjustment which might entail shaving the front sight-if that's the case.
 
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These questions about SIG pistols (and HKs) are asked frequently. Some "experts" might tell you that SIG pistols are set up from the factory for Sight Image 2, but I've owned 20 SIG pistols, and my results indicate #3 (although I've never asked SIG).

Those markings on OP's front sight are the date codes. The numbers for SIG's sights go 4/6/8/10 ... the higher the number, the higher your group goes up ... P-220s ship with, I believe, #6.

Are you shooting off-hand or using a rest? Holding 6 o'clock on the middle of the bull (using the sight picture in #2), still shooting low and you confirm this by shooting the pistol from a rest, means that you can install a higher numbered front or rear sight. Each number you go up for the front sight, your POI should rise 1" at 25 yards.

And if you're not using a rest, is there a possibility it's your shooting, not the sights?
 
Note, the OP has the same issue with an HK USP 45 in the Handguns: General Discussion. I suspect the guns are fine. He needs to adjust his point of aim.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/hk-usp-45-shoots-low-suggestions.833851/



Edit to add: I'm neither a SIG or HK guy, but my understanding is the preferred sight picture for both is the far right picture depicted above rather than the middle picture. The article I linked in the other thread also comments on this.
 
thanks for the replies very useful info you gave me. To answer a question yes same results rested or two handed hold it is not me , I do own various handguns and I am not always low. However I do also have a HK expert that I dialed into the bulls so adjustable sights are better for me target wise. I do prefer a 6 o clock hold it is a more consistent aim point in my opinion, but I'll try the points on the chart.that was posted. The general USP and P220 I know aren't meant to be target guns but defense , but hey I will probably only ever use them at paper targets and it's much more fun when you can group small and get as close to the bulls as possible. I am kinda miffed about the Sig elite because they said they are adjustable and so far they don't move with the allen wrench that came with the gun.
 
While I am not familiar with all of the adjustable sights Sig uses, your sights are different than mine. There is a 185 load and a 200 SWC load that shoot very well out of the P220 ME but they hit to two different impact points and without adjustable sights it would not be useful to me. The 185s in the picture group very well but as you can see they hit high while the 200s group almost as well but tend to go a little right. This target was shot with a 6 o clock hold and the sights were easily adjusted so that it now is zeroed at 25 yards using the same hold. Your rear sight needs to go up. I have had sights that were described as adjustable where the allen screw just locked the rear sight in place and loosening the screw just permitted it to be drifted left or right for windage but no elevation adjustment. However that screw did not click.

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Thanks I read the comments and I read the links, next time I go to the range I am going to try "driving the dot" instead of my usual 6 o clock hold. Both for my HK USP and the Sig. Just a note though the gun did come with two different sized allan wrenches one for windage and another for supposed elevation.
 
You can change your hold to get more on target. I would still follow up on the sight adjustment in any case because you will likely benefit from that. I posted a target earlier that shot high on our P220. Here is another target with a different round, same gun, and no sight adjustment from the other ammo. Point being if you want to serious target shoot with the pistol, the sights need to be adjustable. Changing ammo will change the point of impact but it is hard to predict; for example: usually heavier bullets hit higher than lighter ones but with these two loads from this gun, just the opposite happened. YMMV

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Saleen322 said:
You can change your hold to get more on target. I would still follow up on the sight adjustment in any case because you will likely benefit from that. I posted a target earlier that shot high on our P220. Here is another target with a different round, same gun, and no sight adjustment from the other ammo. Point being if you want to serious target shoot with the pistol, the sights need to be adjustable. Changing ammo will change the point of impact but it is hard to predict; for example: usually heavier bullets hit higher than lighter ones but with these two loads from this gun, just the opposite happened. YMMV

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I hear that, which is why last year I got a USP expert in .45 auto also, black sights no dots and adjustable it is my go to handgun when I want to do the best I can target shooting though would still like to get my other guns on track and the drive the dot may be what I need to do we will see.
 
most everybody seems to have ignored the statement by the op that the sights dont move even if being adjusted. have you tried turning the screw all the way the opposite way? maybe you truly are at max height for the rear but turning it the other way you should feel the sight go down . put a thumb on the rear sight as you turn the screw to feel it.

if you are at max height the you need a lower front sight as others have pointed out.
 
hello yes I did try moving the sight both ways with the wrench, I'll post detail pics of the sight when I can and report my groups when I try drive the dot sighting
 
Tried the drive the dot aiming today with the SIG 220 and HK USP and it made a big difference with the USP, but the SIG 220 still shooting low. Guess I am gonna consider a different front sight.
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You may have a broken/stripped elevation screw. What you are feeling is the detent ball advancing to the next detent. If the screw is broken or stripped, it may have defaulted to as low as it will go, which is what I’m seeing.
Slide likely needs to go back to SIG.
 
resolved the problem. Was able to raise the rear sight but it still shot low. Started aiming top of the circle and it hits center now so that's what I will do leave it at that.
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lionking said:
hello friends have a Sig 220 Elite that says is suppose to be adjustable rear sight however turning the adjustment with the allan wrench doesn't change anything I hear it clicking but the sight doesn't move, am I missing something? I used a 6 o clock hold on the orange
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Can you give us a better pic of that rear sight, that does not look like a fully adjustable rear sight, simply windage adjustable by drifting.
 
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