NBC Nightly News runs POSITIVE story about arming school teachers

I distrust NBC so much, I pay no attention to anything they say!

NBC - Nothing But Cozeners

The nightly news on Sunday had a reporter asking the CEO of a company conducting active shooter training if it was really a good idea to be teaching kids to fight back against an attacker - after they’ve run and hidden. To his credit, he said it doesn’t seem like we have a choice at this point.

It’s not that anyone really wants you to cower and die, it’s just that they can’t imagine themselves having the guts to fight back, so they think that’s the default for everyone.

To be frank, the reporter’s tone and question itself made me sick.

It’s always a good idea for innocent victims of violence to have the means (mindset, skillset, and toolset) to fight back against their attacker.

I'm not a cop, just an infantryman. But it has been my experience that when you're attacked by someone with a deadly weapon, your chances for survival go way up if you have your own deadly weapon.

Seem like I was taught that if you are ambushed, you form a hasty perimeter and engage the enemy. Not just stand there and become a statistic. Makes sense to me.

The drill is:

1. Take cover.
2. Locate the enemy
3. Return fire
4. Locate the man on your right and left
5. Relay orders and information.

I'm not sure I can advocate arming teachers, but being a believer in freedom, we should give them the freedom to arm themselves, should they so choose.

I learned early in life if they think that you are going to fight back they leave you alone.

Berger.Fan222 said:

I'm not sure I can advocate arming teachers, but being a believer in freedom, we should give them the freedom to arm themselves, should they so choose.

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Are not teachers responsible for the children in their care? How can they protect those children if they are unarmed?

"Could it actually be that some in the MSM might be warming to the idea that gun-free zones attract shooters like trailer parks attract tornadoes?"

No, they just had to run one tiny story contra to their advocacy for victim disarmament law, due to the huge call from the majority who are against them, in an effort to look balanced. It won't last. Though sure, we can hope. Keep advocating, gents.

Well, same question is valid for the police - how can they protect if they aren't there (or run faster than the students) ?

I think everybody who wants to (and can legally) should be allowed to carry a firearm whenever and wherever he/she wants to. Teachers should not be forced to be armed, but heck, they should be allowed to if they want.

Vern Humphrey said:

Are not teachers responsible for the children in their care? How can they protect those children if they are unarmed?

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Terry Chadron said:

Well, same question is valid for the police - how can they protect if they aren't there (or run faster than the students) ?

I think everybody who wants to (and can legally) should be allowed to carry a firearm whenever and wherever he/she wants to. Teachers should not be forced to be armed, but heck, they should be allowed to if they want.

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But what do we tell the parents, "Your child died because the teacher responsible for him, the only adult in the classroom, chose not to be armed?"

I personally don't believe that it is the individual teacher's responsibility to physically protect the children. It is the same with Universities - there you have campus police to protect, not armed professors. Why would a "police at schools" model not work? I think the sad answer is "cost".

However, I would encourage every teacher to take classes, carry and do their part to make it a safer environment. I hope the NRA will step up and reach out to their certified trainers and offer teachers at least the basic firearms handling skills. Police and other law enforcement units can then take over and teach situational awareness and active shooter scenarios.

Vern Humphrey said:

But what do we tell the parents, "Your child died because the teacher responsible for him, the only adult in the classroom, chose not to be armed?"

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Terry Chadron said:

I personally don't believe that it is the individual teacher's responsibility to physically protect the children. It is the same with Universities - there you have campus police to protect, not armed professors. Why would a "police at schools" model not work? I think the sad answer is "cost".

However, I would encourage every teacher to take classes, carry and do their part to make it a safer environment. I hope the NRA will step up and reach out to their certified trainers and offer teachers at least the basic firearms handling skills. Police and other law enforcement units can then take over and teach situational awareness and active shooter scenarios.

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As an old infantryman, I point out that if the person where the attack takes place is unarmed, there will be a massacre -- even if the teacher in the next room is armed.

The schools are in loco parentis to your children. I say that gives them the same responsibility to protect your children that you have.

Yes, I 100% agree that the schools have this responsibility and I also agree that they do a poor job. I just think that professionally trained people should be tasked with that responsibility, not teachers that don't have the training nor the time to get trained to the same level. If they choose to carry a firearm, all powers to them, I would even teach them the basic classes at no cost. A single armed teacher at a school is better than the duck and hide and pray you will not be the victim that they have to do today. I look at it similarly as militia vs. trained army. Good if you have both, but don't rely on the militia to be the best choice of protection.

Vern Humphrey said:

As an old infantryman, I point out that if the person where the attack takes place is unarmed, there will be a massacre -- even if the teacher in the next room is armed.

The schools are in loco parentis to your children. I say that gives them the same responsibility to protect your children that you have.

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As all of you know, I am a teacher. I have made my position clear on this several times. This is one case where I can say, "I'm pro-choice." The building I teach in has a large number of veterans and sport shooters.

I recently signed up for a training course run by a sheriff's department near where I live. It is a seven week course that is going to run a few condensed 3.5 week sessions this summer. The waiting list is almost six months out, for this course, right now. I think the California POST reserve academy courses that I took were good; but that was over twenty years ago.

As far as the news story, I, like any others here, was surprised by the content and the lack of any condescending tone. The superintendent was very well spoken. In all, it made it's point.