New all American made Lionheart Regulus

Never heard of it or the Korean gun they copied. That "double action plus" trigger system is interesting, but I would not feel comfortable carrying that without the safety on so I would just as well have a CZ75 cocked and locked. But its too big and heavy for me to carry anyway. I would not be interested since I don't need an expensive duty size pistol with a carry style trigger.

I had to watch to figure out what DA+ might be. I’m trying to figure out the linkage and geometry now. I’m confused and intrigued.

I have a Daewoo DP 51, I like the trigger and hammer action.
I thought that pistol was a nice, understated clean firearm.

This seems like a ... unique take on it. Just judging from the video, it doesn't look like they changed any compatibility or function, they just removed a lot of tapering, and added machining everywhere.
They used to make a LH9 with a rail, I guess they dropped it for this.

I had a DP51 Compact. It was a nice, high quality pistol, but didn't really offer any practical advantages over any other metal framed pistol of similar size like a S&W 6904 or Beretta 92 compact.

The DA+ action is kinda quirky and gets a lot of raised eyebrows and chuckles at the range, but is really just extra linkage for little extra benefit.

Still, I like weird guns (as long as they are reliable), and the fella I sold it to is talking about selling it again. I might buy it back........lol.

Interesting, but probably not for me.

It looks neat I like it.

Meh. Not interested personally. The LH9 already was overpriced for what it was (except during their annual Black Friday sale when they become reasonable). Particularly when a used Daewoo DP51 can be found for $300-350.

I'm not really interested in paying a premium for an American made version - particularly when it was originally a Korean design anyways (ie, I might would pay more for an American made 1911, but to me a Korean made DP51 is more "authentic" than one made here).

Arched backstrap, accessory rail and a lot of dubious cosmetic additions (that's a really busy frame, slide and barrel what with all the carving, serrating and graphics) ... and a complex manual-of-arms with a number of carry modes that aren't necessary.

But I can't really take the guy's video seriously when he starts with three pistols, all with mags inserted, doesn't demonstrate that the pistols are cleared, and then points them at his face ... Maybe I'm picking nits here, but YouTube gun videos that begin with egregious safety violations aren't gonna make me a fan.

Old Dog said:

But I can't really take the guy's video seriously when he starts with three pistols, all with mags inserted, doesn't demonstrate that the pistols are cleared, and then points them at his face ... Maybe I'm picking nits here, but YouTube gun videos that begin with egregious safety violations aren't gonna make me a fan.

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I sort of take the opposite stance (to a degree anyways). To me the whole chamber check on video is pointless. We're not in danger and the safety check is just taking up time. I'm not saying not to do that safety check - it's just more efficient for them to do it off camera.

And yet, YouTube as well as pretty much the entire internet world is rife with video depicting any number of negligent discharges (a number of which have even been posted recently on this very forum).

One thing I've learned about working with firearms for the last fifty years is that I will never, ever take anyone's word that a gun is unloaded. No matter how "qualified" they claim to be ...

Finally, it behooves the gun community as a whole to consistently and publicly demonstrate that we all adhere to the same four rules of gun safety. If it takes an extra 15 seconds of precious video time, so be it.

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One thing I've learned about working with firearms for the last fifty years is that I will never, ever take anyone's word that a gun is unloaded. No matter how "qualified" they claim to be ...

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That's the thing though - you don't have to take their word for it. You're not in danger since it's a video - not even a live one at that. By the time it's posted to Youtube the video has been filmed and done. If the gun went off, it did so in the past.

In the end it's not like I'll turn a video off if I see a chamber check, but realistically on an edited video actually showing that check doesn't serve a purpose IMHO.

I will make an exception on instructional videos that are showing how to do things like take apart the gun for cleaning and they're demonstrating the check as part of the process though.

I may be an odd duck here, but the "made in Korea" of the Daewoo and Lionheart guns was always the cool part.

Then again, I love me some Hyundai, Kia, and Samsung action...

mgmorden said:

That's the thing though - you don't have to take their word for it. You're not in danger since it's a video - not even a live one at that. By the time it's posted to Youtube the video has been filmed and done. If the gun went off, it did so in the past.

In the end it's not like I'll turn a video off if I see a chamber check, but realistically on an edited video actually showing that check doesn't serve a purpose IMHO.

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And I totally disagree. As I previously stated, safety should always be demonstrated; there are any number of neophytes out there watching these videos and accepting the fact that while we may preach the Four Rules, there are any number of folks (hypocrites, in my opinion) in our community who think they are above demonstrating the safety aspects on a consistent basis.

As an aside, I do acknowledge Korea's efforts in the area of constantly improving its products, from cars to electronics to firearms. And yes, I have owned a Kia (use a Samsung Galaxy android) and am not ashamed to admit it ...

Old Dog said:

Arched backstrap, accessory rail and a lot of dubious cosmetic additions (that's a really busy frame, slide and barrel what with all the carving, serrating and graphics) ... and a complex manual-of-arms with a number of carry modes that aren't necessary.

But I can't really take the guy's video seriously when he starts with three pistols, all with mags inserted, doesn't demonstrate that the pistols are cleared, and then points them at his face ... Maybe I'm picking nits here, but YouTube gun videos that begin with egregious safety violations aren't gonna make me a fan.

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If it went off I think it would miss you, just saying.

I would buy one for the right price.

jonb32248 said:

If it went off I think it would miss you, just saying.

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Didn't get my point, eh?

mgmorden said:

Meh. Not interested personally. The LH9 already was overpriced for what it was (except during their annual Black Friday sale when they become reasonable). Particularly when a used Daewoo DP51 can be found for $300-350.

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jjones45 said:

Not for everyone, but I like it and see myself getting one maybe when Black Friday rolls around.

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Unfortunately Lionheart abandoned their Black Friday sales back in 2016. They said too many people would wait for the sale so weren't selling enough the rest of the year. Of course this might tell you the product is priced higher than many would pay, but that is just me. I keep hoping to see a deal on the LH9 so I can try one, but it looks like they only sell it direct or if the lgs happens to carry them. I can't find any dealers online that sell below MSRP and definitely not in the range of the Black Friday prices.

I sold a lot of the Daewoo's back in the day. Its main competition was the Smith and Wesson 915. For the price the DP51's were good guns. I was never into the whole fast action thing but the guns worked.

The DA+ action is kinda quirky and gets a lot of raised eyebrows and chuckles at the range, but is really just extra linkage for little extra benefit.

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Not much in the way of extra linkage, but there are a few extra tiny part in the hammer mechanism -- which it is not recommended that users mess with. That "extra" stuff does not affect the trigger pull in DA or SA mode.

I've had several Daewoo DP-51s, and now have a Lionheart LH9. Fine guns. I always thought they seemed like an odd mix of S&W Third Gen and SIG, in how they look and shoot. Very solid, well finished guns that tend to be pretty reliable and accurate. You can use S&W 59-series mags (including some of the extra large capacity 5906 mags that hold 20 rounds, etc. -- but that make for a big, awkward , heavy combo. (My first DP-51 was one of the most accurate 9mms I've ever owned, but someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse. In retrospect I'd like to have it back. The Lionheart LH9 is a fine shooting gun. I wish there were more after-market parts, but with low volume guns that just isn't going to happen.

The gun's "action" has three carry/starting modes: 1) standard double action. 2) standard cocked and locked, and 3) cocked with the hammer pushed forward by the shooter. I looks like cocked and locked, but is really more like DA with a much lighter trigger pull. The safety can be used in any of these modes but some consider it unnecessary in modes 1 and 3. Once fired, it's standard SA like most DA/SA guns..

In Mode 3, the trigger acts like a two stage trigger -- with the initial pull flipping the hammer back -- you then continue the trigger pull, if you choose to, which releases the hammer/sear just like with any DA/SA gun in SA mode. With all of mine, that stage (a bit like a minor hitch) is very pronounced and it's easy to NOT pull through if you don't mean to. (I also had a DH-40, the 40 S&W version of the DP-51; at that point in my shooting life, I was unhappy with .40 -- I've since found more comfort with the caliber.)

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If it went off I think it would miss you, just saying.

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You don’t know. Could be his next door neighbor in an apartment with thin walls.

Sooo, does the DA+ mode act like an HK LEM trigger (mainspring partially cocked and pulling the trigger completes the cocking action and fires the gun)?