Maybe you were wrong about Pocket Pistols

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This doesn't need to deteriorate into name-calling, and it really is not about a caliber war promoting one over another.

It's a discussion generated by the video in question, with some of us giving real-life information and experience.
Whether you choose to accept that, or bet your life on inadequate equipment & handicap yourself from the start, is up to you.
Denis
 
STILL looking for that smaller 9MM with a hammer and a heavy DA trigger, to replace the reliable old .32.

PICTURE TIME !!!

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OK. I watched the video. There's ten minutes I'll never get back.
Quite a few things he said are very true. And then he reaches illogical conclusions from those observations and facts.

First of all, there are people who, for whatever reason, cannot carry a larger handgun. Fine. Do what you can. A .22LR derringer is better than harsh words and dirty looks.
Yes, our goal as private citizens is to break contact. But he's ignoring the changing nature of violent crime. "Stick 'em up, give me your wallet" isn't the face of violent crime anymore. Lots of factors why this is so.
The video ends with four common factors in "sub-optimal outcomes" involving private citizens and use of force. All are exacerbated by use of smaller firearms. Then he repeats his advocacy for smaller guns.
When your career is based on "I'm different", color me suspicious. Just because you're unique doesn't mean you're useful.
I repeat my original statement in a previous post: Carry the largest handgun you can conceal in the largest caliber you can comfortably shoot.
 
I am a revolver guy. I live where it's very hot much of the year. If I get too hot I have health problems. My preferred carry is an LCR in the cargo pocket of my shorts. I draw it quickly. I can draw it sitting or standing. 38 +P+ hollow points are nasty. I shoot it well.

If I can wear an unbuttoned outer shirt I carry OWB. I have a G43, a G26, a SW Model 10, a Colt Detective, a CA 44 Bulldog, a CA Pitbull, and several other small destructive handguns. I can draw them sitting or standing. I shoot them all well.

If I have to I will carry a micro 380. I don't like to carry in my front pocket, because I can't draw well from it sitting down, but I will if I have to. If I have to carry in a shirt with a pocket that won't cover an OWB carry, I will. I can't shoot them as well as my more preferred CC handguns, but I can empty them rapidly onto a medium-sized paper plate at seven yards. That's good enough for SD.

I don't PREFER to carry a micro 380, but I've trained a lot with them and for me they are legitimate weapons for SD.
 
It's no more of a pain than any other heel-clip release.
The Rohrbaugh was not built for quick reloads.
It was built to be the smallest 9mm pistol on the market, and it was.
Denis
 
I am a revolver guy. I live where it's very hot much of the year. If I get too hot I have health problems. My preferred carry is an LCR in the cargo pocket of my shorts. I draw it quickly. I can draw it sitting or standing. 38 +P+ hollow points are nasty. I shoot it well.

If I can wear an unbuttoned outer shirt I carry OWB. I have a G43, a G26, a SW Model 10, a Colt Detective, a CA 44 Bulldog, a CA Pitbull, and several other small destructive handguns. I can draw them sitting or standing. I shoot them all well.

If I have to I will carry a micro 380. I don't like to carry in my front pocket, because I can't draw well from it sitting down, but I will if I have to. If I have to carry in a shirt with a pocket that won't cover an OWB carry, I will. I can't shoot them as well as my more preferred CC handguns, but I can empty them rapidly onto a medium-sized paper plate at seven yards. That's good enough for SD.

I don't PREFER to carry a micro 380, but I've trained a lot with them and for me they are legitimate weapons for SD.

Thanks for the Post Tallpaul, and I agree they are very legitimate weapons. And I do not feel inadequate carrying one. I only feel inadequate when I do not have any gun.And the only handicap is no gun.or not being competent with the one you do carry. CountZero, I have posted before, your Rohrbaugh is a beautiful gun. I love the Mico 9mm's Hope you find one. . Glad you like your LCR. I love mine.
 
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Gotta admit- the Rohrbaugh was a class act. :)
Denis

I have heard--big warning in my first three words--that they do not hold up in sustained use, which is absolutely what you need, to get good with a small gun and a service cartridge.
 
I have heard--big warning in my first three words--that they do not hold up in sustained use, which is absolutely what you need, to get good with a small gun and a service cartridge.

Nothing against the Rohrbaugh, but so much truth in how well a gun holds up in sustained use. And since we are talking about Pocket guns in general, I think it is a very important factor as training frequently is of the most importance.
 
To me the big advantage to having a pistol in a pocket is that you can have your hand on it without drawing attention.
Walking across the parking lot or down the street with your hand in your pocket does not arouse suspicion and you can be holding your pistol.
if you need it, it's about as fast as you can get since it is already in your hand.
I like the idea of using a PP as a BUG, in a belt position for faster access when sitting.
Weak side cavalry carry for example. It can be drawn easily with either hand while sitting or standing. The small gun isn't nearly as likely to be fouled up in a draw stroke by a seat belt or chair arms as primary full size.would be.
 
Also no lock open on the last round, but it is what it is.

I have two RM380's that have been flawless, and I carny one as a backup to the R9. The other is a bathroom gun. The RM380 was on sale for $99.00 so I figured at that price if it gets a little rust on it from being in a humid bathroom, no big deal. But I waxed the slide, the frame is aluminum and I lubed the insides pretty generously, and it hasn't developed a spot of rust.

I am in and out of a lot of client sites downtown Chicago and I can't afford for someone to see a firearm - someone would raise a stink and the client most likely would ask me to not come back - end the contract etc... On the other hand I think Chicago is becoming a more dangerous place each day and I'm not walking around there unarmed.

For what its worth, I have a CZ copy (B6P), in my car and that's loaded with 19+1
 
Do you know what the Urban definition of Trunk Monkey is?

Wrong Monkey, try again.

Trunk Monkey is a euphemism for the rear machine gunner in the vehicle at the end of a column (the place most likely to receive small arms fire).

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The commercials of the trunk monkey come from there. The term itself is military in nature.
 
This was an enlightening discussion! Sometime after an obese moron made me wave a hand in the air to say I would always defend the Constitution, in the century before this one, I put a .38 snub in my pocket. It is still there.
 
The Rohrbaugh was widely misunderstood by many buyers who couldn't comprehend that it was not intended to be an IPSC pistol, not built for regular weekend 500-round counts, not built for a quick reload, and the owner had to keep up on recoil spring changes.

Compromises had to be made to get the 9mm into that size package.
Those who didn't understand the pistol gave it a bad rep that was not deserved.
Denis
 
The Rohrbaugh was widely misunderstood by many buyers who couldn't comprehend that it was not intended to be an IPSC pistol, not built for regular weekend 500-round counts, not built for a quick reload, and the owner had to keep up on recoil spring changes.

Compromises had to be made to get the 9mm into that size package.
Those who didn't understand the pistol gave it a bad rep that was not deserved.
Denis

If I cannot shoot it, I sorrow for my chance to hit with it.
 
If I cannot shoot it, I sorrow for my chance to hit with it.

The Rorhbaugh was intended as an ENT gun. The idea was you stick it in the bad guy's ears nose or throat and empty it.

Seriously though it was never meant as a bullseye pistol and it was never meant as a pistol that was supposed to get a lot of use. Its intent was to be for close-quarter self-defense.
 
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