TomJ
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That was only the 9mm rocks, although with advances in rock technology they now seem to be as good as the 40 and 45 caliber rocks.
Video of new Glock 43X and 48 review.
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That was only the 9mm rocks, although with advances in rock technology they now seem to be as good as the 40 and 45 caliber rocks.
JR24
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Call me old school, but I don't mess with rocks smaller than 1". Sure I lose a little velocity and cant fit as many in my rock pouch, but momentum is a thing and I just chuck them more accurately than smaller rocks.
^This^
Ironically enough I own the same exact number too (5).
The truth is that Glock isn't doing anything new.
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I guess it bothers some to hear the truth and they don't want to hear it and "no one really cares" ... whatever. :Shrug
Still the truth.
GunnyUSMC
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I hear a lot of people say that Glock hasn’t done anything new and that is why they are not buying.
Well let’s see. The Gen 4 has a slightly smaller frame then the Gen 3. The shorten the back of the frame to fit smaller hands and added backstraps for larger hands. They also changed the rifling in the barrel. And then there was the new grip texture. And don’t forget the reversible mag release.
Then they cane out with the G42, a single stack 380 for conceal carry. The on the tail of the G42 came the G43.
Then the Gen 5 comes out. The dreaded finger groves were removed from the grip. The came with the new Glock Marksman barrel, the amby slide release and flared mag well.
Then they put out the 19X which is a copy of the MHS pistol without the thumb safety. Then with a few mods to the frame and color they put out the G45. It was not put out a a CCW, but as a duty weapon with law enforcement as it’s targeted market.
Now they come out with the G43x and the G48, with mid size single stack frames.
Some will say that non of this is new, just repacked. But look at all the different 1911s on the market. Are they not just repacked or pigs with lipstick?
I don’t think that the trouble is that Glock hasn’t come out with something new. It’s just that they haven’t put out the gunthat some people want.
If they had put out a gun with a 17 slide and a 19 frame there are a bunch that would be jumping for joy. I would not be one because, I have no need for that setup.
The Shot Show is around the corner and I’m sure Glock will be bringing something new to the table, maybe gun with a 19 frame and a 17 slide. Who knows? I’ll wait and see.
Well let’s see. The Gen 4 has a slightly smaller frame then the Gen 3. The shorten the back of the frame to fit smaller hands and added backstraps for larger hands. They also changed the rifling in the barrel. And then there was the new grip texture. And don’t forget the reversible mag release.
Then they cane out with the G42, a single stack 380 for conceal carry. The on the tail of the G42 came the G43.
Then the Gen 5 comes out. The dreaded finger groves were removed from the grip. The came with the new Glock Marksman barrel, the amby slide release and flared mag well.
Then they put out the 19X which is a copy of the MHS pistol without the thumb safety. Then with a few mods to the frame and color they put out the G45. It was not put out a a CCW, but as a duty weapon with law enforcement as it’s targeted market.
Now they come out with the G43x and the G48, with mid size single stack frames.
Some will say that non of this is new, just repacked. But look at all the different 1911s on the market. Are they not just repacked or pigs with lipstick?
I don’t think that the trouble is that Glock hasn’t come out with something new. It’s just that they haven’t put out the gunthat some people want.
If they had put out a gun with a 17 slide and a 19 frame there are a bunch that would be jumping for joy. I would not be one because, I have no need for that setup.
The Shot Show is around the corner and I’m sure Glock will be bringing something new to the table, maybe gun with a 19 frame and a 17 slide. Who knows? I’ll wait and see.
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Wisco
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I always figured Glock’s popularity was perpetuated by reliability at a reasonable price point. Never realized my like of the G19 was just me being an idiot. Imagine how many other idiots I’ve talked into a Glock because they’ve always been good for me!
For what it’s worth, I think Walthers are absolute garbage, but this is literally the first time I’m bothering to type it out.
I can see them being popular in magazine ban states, but otherwise, I myself am not very interested. I don't particularly like the 9mm and that seems to be about all that Glock cares about anymore, not just with the G43X and G48, but currently Gen5 is 9mm only as well, not sure if they're going to change that or not.
Zerodefect
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Is Walther still making pistols? Thought you could only get knifes and buckets of acid in the UK?
''No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to use a tiny pistol. ''
''No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to use a tiny pistol. ''
herrwalther
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The chief "internet idiot" would be James Yeager. But since his YT channel was taken down. His soapbox is quite shorter these days. The popularity of Glock is an arguable point. As most firearms from a reputable maker have similar reliability testing results. I have seen Glocks have some pretty tremendous failures. I had the magazine catch sheer off a brand new in box Glock 23. And Glock CS was very laissez-faire.
Gunny, I respect the hell out of you and your advice. But we are just not going to agree on Glocks. I am not trying to change your opinion or anyone else's. And that is all fine. I apologize if I came off a little jaded in earlier posts. Over and done with. I had my 2 milliseconds to stomp and complain how much I don't like Glocks again. As I said, I keep an eye on Glock. Maybe they will make something I have an interest in. There is plenty of room in my safe for a Glock (fingers crossed on a 10mm I like) if my interest is there.
And I won't try to change your mind on it. I own 2 Walthers and love the hell out of them. Some mornings I spend more time deciding which one I am going to carry that day based on clothes and what I will be doing.
I think so as well. The G48 meets the 110mm barrel length standard for Canadian handguns. And I have seen a few mentions of this. 10 has been the magic number lately for magazine ban size. So it makes sense to offer something that meets restrictions in those states.
wickedsprint
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Why not just carry a 19? The half inch of sight radius is negligible.
Conversely, If sight radius/length is that important, the extra half inch of a 17s grip length is also negligible.
I’m looking forward to the G43X as a half pound lighter/thinner alternative to my 19,especially when I travel to restricted states.
zaitcev
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IMHO, the biggest change to the Glock 45 is actually a minute divot in the breechface, which cures the famous Brass-to-The-Face phenomenon. I'm actually getting ready to modify an aftermarket G19 slide with a copy of the G45 change.
Why are you looking forward to it instead of the G19? The differences in dimension are 'negligible' while the difference in capacity is minus 1/3.
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Trey Veston
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My new Gen 5 G19 MOS came with the same modification. It throws brass 15' to the right and in a nice little concise area. My Gen 4 G35 throws it everywhere else, but thankfully no BTF issues.
Glock is weird in that they will rarely acknowledge a screw up, but will quietly start making new guns with the improvements seemingly mid-production line.
wickedsprint
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As I stated before, G43X is thinner and half a pound lighter than my G19 with no travel restrictions.
It’s not going to replace my 19, but the G43X can definitely supplement it in a few scenarios for me.
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It's actually less of a weight loss than that. Plus that's only if you're counting less rds as part of that weight.
Glock 19 - 20.99 ounces
Glock 43X - 18.40 ounces
With 124 grain ammunition (in the middle range) and losing 5 rds (10 vs 15) with the slightly thinner pistol you're looking at around losing 5.75 ounces total with both the thinner dimensions, the weight of the mag (using a G19 mag as a stand in) and the (5) fewer rds taken into consideration.
That's not half a pound.
My daily carry auto knife weighs 6.10 ounces. That's not half a pound either.
You know that you can buy 10 rd mags for your G19 right?
rskent
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But how would that give us an excuse to pick up another Glock?
JR24
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You could make that same argument between the M&P compact and the Shield, or the XDS and its compact counterpart. Yet I don't recall such salt and furor when they were released, just a "I wish Glock made one of those". Or, heck, the boring old Glock 26 vs the 43 in the first place. Yet the slim gun remains a popular option
Let's face it, there is a large segment of internet forums who just cant wait to spew their complaints and criticisms about anything Glock does for whatever their personal reason are.
Last year it was the 19X. Complaining about its color and freaking name. and acting like its size was something new (much like this years 43X) when pretty much every new striker manufacturer is designing their duty guns to be the exact same freaking size.
Now I'm no Glock fanboy. I like them well enough, and shoot them better than other polymer strikers, probably just from more trigger time, but the hysteria that pops on new Glock threads is, frankly, hilarious.
*please note I am generalizing across several forums, THR is, as usual in all things, way better than most.
wickedsprint
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You’re right, not really accurate to compare loaded weights because I’m now penaizing the 19 for its capacity.
I’ve considered 10 rd mags for vacation purposes too. No new holsters or pouches to buy either.
LUCKYDAWG13
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Ya adding in a new holster and magazine holder adds on to the cost of a new pistol
JR24
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Truth. Though I have a USP compact holster (for some reason) and no gun to go in it. Tempting to pick one up, but mags as so expensive and I like to have at least 5 for any given gun.
Probably because people can appendix carry (comfortably) or pocket carry those pistols (the 43, Shield etc) and/or because they're so light.
On the G43X it has a longer grip. While appendix carry will be possible you can forget about pocket carry. Height including mag are the same as a Glock 19. It's just thinner.
Then the G19
Glock kind of brings it on themselves to some degree. They simply don't listen to the people who buy their guns.
Are there a certain amount of people who are going to bitch and gripe no matter what? Sure. Some of these complaints are legitimate.
They could have gotten on board and designed a PCC in the late 90's and early oughts when police depts we're asking for them. Instead Ruger tried to step up to the plate, it's just that most cops weren't/aren't carrying Rugers.
It took them forever to some up with a Shield or PPS size 9mm.
Missed opportunities.
JR24
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I find the 43 too big for pocket carry, so the point in moot as far as I'm concerned.
Also, according to the website the shield is 20 oz, just like the 19.
Edit: but your greater point is somewhat valid with the time it took to drop this and the 43 itself. Then again, I've been reading and listening to people wish for a slim Glock 19 for at least 15 years now so for those folks Glock finally did listen.
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Yeah, I knew I was right.
Let me know how that works out for you if you ever have to actually use it.
The new pistols also use their own mags too. Yet another round of mags to buy.
Probably a better route (just using the G19).
However if you want a new thinner Glock with a longer grip for whatever reason then have at it.
People keep telling me that the Shield and PPS are too large for pocket carry and I keep doing it occasionally.
For the most part I'm carrying a G26 or a G19 though.
Lots of people carry appendix though. I notice you didn't address that part of it.
At any rate the reduced overall dimensions are the primary reason that these pistols (Shield, G43, Kahr's, Walther PPS and other single stack 9mm pistols) are popular.
Some are just willing to suffer through the decreased capacity. That's why everyone was so excited about the Sig 365. People got the best of both worlds. Small size and capacity.
When you start messing with that formula and increase the length of the grip to G19 lengths, but not gain capacity then I imagine there's going to be some decreased interest.
JR24
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What was your point on appendix? You noted it was still possible and I agree, as plenty of folk (me included) can appendix carry larger guns than a 43X.
I think there will be plenty interest because even those few millimeters will make it easier for many to carry over a 19, the reduced weight will help as well (we all know that to some every oz counts) and you can still get a full grip on the slim gun. Good for small hands as well.
Me? I carry a Sig P226 daily, so weight and size aren't really a concern for me.
As for pocket carry with the 43. I tried it and the 365 and found them nearly as bulky as my 26 in the pocket and would rather just have the gun on my belt anyway, and if so then a bigger gun works better for me.
Just my opinion, of course.
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