Coast Guard lieutenant, dubbed 'domestic terrorist,' had hit list of media bigs and Dem lawmakers

kcofohio said:

Maybe I'm missing something here. But if the average Joe/Jane, receives threat(s) from an individual, the LE can't do much about it, if a law hasn't been broken.
But if money/power feels a threat, well...all bets are off.
I could be totally off base, but that is just me being curious.

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If someone threatens you to the point that you are in fear of your safety, in most states, that’s a crime. In LA. it’s Simple Assault.

GunnyUSMC said:

But this guy was supposed to go on a killing spree. And most killing sprees are committed by liberals.
Does that fit your narrative better?

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I cannot dispute your assertion regarding most killing sprees being perpetrated by liberals due to lack of data, but that is totally opposite to my impression. Please remind me of a few examples I might have had reason to hear about. Or do you contend that the majority of killing sprees, the ones committed by liberals, aren’t publicized? Perhaps there is a plot by the media to keep that a secret while focusing on the few mass murders by conservatives.

Walkalong said:

But not of the facts.

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Give me the examples. I don’t know of any. Well maybe the Manson-Sharon Tate murders. But that isn’t what we were talking about, is it? The synagogue in Pittsburgh? The elementary school in Connecticut? The high school in Florida? The Muslim husband and wife in So. California. I’m losing track, but where are the liberals except lying dead on the floor? Next thing you are going to be telling me is some Jews murdered six million Germans.

labnoti said:

the media would be better advised to focus on the evidence of the suspect's intent rather than what he possessed which is entirely unremarkable and their fixation on it shows they have no discernment into what is significant.

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Yup. Many of us here would have more weapons and ammo in our vehicles for a day at the range.

rpenmanparker said:

Are you not embarrassed to spew such a baseless diatribe when it clearly appears to all concerned that you were wrong? It does not appear to be a false flag. I will not comment on his guilt or innocence of which I know nothing. But the US Attorney, not necessarily a “slavering leftie”, thinks he has a case. Our respect for the law enforcement and judicial processes should lead us to keep our mouths shut, and our eyes, ears, and minds open.

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You misunderstand my meaning.
The news, particularly the "instant," "breaking" news is virtually never accurate. The outlets run with their inaccuracies until the other news outlets start reporting otherwise. So, I have a reflex, which is to automatically vouchsafe all news reporting.

So, anything that so perfectly fits a political agenda reads as false. And I said it was my first impression. Not my ultimate impression. To be quite clear, I am not even to my penultimate impression on this kerfuffle.

I made no assertions on or toward the AUSA. You inferred them for some reason. My assertions of motive are upon the creaters of the content we are discussing--the news agencies.

Please note I made no assertions about LE, either. Their actions are based on their information, which is not the information we have, or are likely to get from people paid by the word to create sensationalism. (The alleged suspect has been reported to be everything but Jason Bourne so far, with little attribution as to why those reports are to be believed.)

Then, there's the issue that these sorts of lists and threats are made in wholesale lots, enough to be "dog bites man" status by news media. The fact that this has become "man bites dog" means it warrants additional attention. Particularly if it is meant to be a brickbat to batter "our" side about with.

CapnMac said:

You misunderstand my meaning.
The news, particularly the "instant," "breaking" news is virtually never accurate. The outlets run with their inaccuracies until the other news outlets start reporting otherwise. So, I have a reflex, which is to automatically vouchsafe all news reporting.

So, anything that so perfectly fits a political agenda reads as false. And I said it was my first impression. Not my ultimate impression. To be quite clear, I am not even to my penultimate impression on this kerfuffle.

I made no assertions on or toward the AUSA. You inferred them for some reason. My assertions of motive are upon the creaters of the content we are discussing--the news agencies.

Please note I made no assertions about LE, either. Their actions are based on their information, which is not the information we have, or are likely to get from people paid by the word to create sensationalism. (The alleged suspect has been reported to be everything but Jason Bourne so far, with little attribution as to why those reports are to be believed.)

Then, there's the issue that these sorts of lists and threats are made in wholesale lots, enough to be "dog bites man" status by news media. The fact that this has become "man bites dog" means it warrants additional attention. Particularly if it is meant to be a brickbat to batter "our" side about with.

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That is a reasoned approach. My apologies.

MachIVshooter said:

Yup. Many of us here would have more weapons and ammo in our vehicles for a day at the range.

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I was shocked to realize that even I would likely fall into the “armed to the teeth” category as portrayed by the media with help of law enforcement. I mean, let’s face it, the media didn’t take those photos of the stash...at least I don’t think so.

rpenmanparker said:

That is a reasoned approach. My apologies.

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For the last 50 years, since '68, gun ownership has been criminalized, unless we each could prove, beyond any doubt, and were were as innocent as the new-fallen snow. That social construct has consequences. "we" have been put so on edge to be more than law-abiding that we can turn upon our own.

Which has managed to dovetail in with the social phenomenon where ignorance and histrionics are celebrated beyond reason and rational thought. There is a severe fin de cecile element where too many have accepted an argument that all things knowable are already known, you merely needs must look them up. So, fact checking, simple mathematics, and the like, are all subsumed into whatever becomes the most responded-to sound bite.

Now, it's all too easy to see malice in this, as, "our" side must needs rely upon the factual, the concrete, the letter of things to be in the right and only just barely). And, if facts no longer matter, neighter do our arguments. We're just wrong, next topic. However, the adage to never ascribe to malice that which can be better explained by incompetence still applies.

Consider this putative headline: "Sun Fails to Rise in West; GOP Gun Owners to Blame." Were that on twitter, almost no one would be arguing the fallacy of the preparatory clause, the heated arguments would all be upon the follwing one. And, all of that diatribe and vitriol would be pointless for being about a factual and logical error.

Allow me to finish with what remains a pithy quote:

"People are not rational processors of factual information. Judgements are easily distorted by the tendency to rely on personal anecdotes, small samples, easily available data, and faulty interpretation of statistics."
"Psyching Out Infosecurity," Infosecurity News, Michel E. Kabay January/February issue, pg. 28

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^^^
Well said Sir.

I have read the coverage from various news outlets regarding this story. None of them vary much from the Fox News report referenced by the op. For those of you who state a liberal bias in the reporting of this story, I'm wondering what you would change or leave out regarding the facts of this report so as to remove any "Anti 2A" leanings.

Right or wrong if you spout things like this guy did on the internet, and search things like he did, you will be flagged and end up in his situation. It's simply the age we live in.

What will be most interesting is to see what comes of this fellow given the circumstances. Will he end up a martyr/scapegoat or get a fair shake?

CapnMac said:

For the last 50 years, since '68, gun ownership has been criminalized, unless we each could prove, beyond any doubt, and were were as innocent as the new-fallen snow. That social construct has consequences. "we" have been put so on edge to be more than law-abiding that we can turn upon our own.

Which has managed to dovetail in with the social phenomenon where ignorance and histrionics are celebrated beyond reason and rational thought. There is a severe fin de cecile element where too many have accepted an argument that all things knowable are already known, you merely needs must look them up. So, fact checking, simple mathematics, and the like, are all subsumed into whatever becomes the most responded-to sound bite.

Now, it's all too easy to see malice in this, as, "our" side must needs rely upon the factual, the concrete, the letter of things to be in the right and only just barely). And, if facts no longer matter, neighter do our arguments. We're just wrong, next topic. However, the adage to never ascribe to malice that which can be better explained by incompetence still applies.

Consider this putative headline: "Sun Fails to Rise in West; GOP Gun Owners to Blame." Were that on twitter, almost no one would be arguing the fallacy of the preparatory clause, the heated arguments would all be upon the follwing one. And, all of that diatribe and vitriol would be pointless for being about a factual and logical error.

Allow me to finish with what remains a pithy quote:

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Also well said. Thanks.

If someone threatens you to the point that you are in fear of your safety, in most states, that’s a crime....

more likely Terroristic Threats ...but in those cases the threats must be communicated to the intended victim. Making a list..may not satisfy the essentials of the crime.

As far as warning of potential threats, the biggest blunder was committed by the FBI.

While the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) continued its investigation into the fatal shooting attack at a Parkland, Florida, high school on 14 February 2018, the agency revealed that it failed to act upon a tip alerting them as to the suspect’s potential for violence.
On 16 February 2018, the FBI said in a statement that someone “close to” the suspect, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, reported their concerns to the bureau by phone on 5 January 2018. According to the statement:

The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.

We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.

The ones in the best position to observe this shooter was the school officials who for some time ignored his issues and let them fester. They even were warned by some close to him or who taught him and lsimply went on their way. Meanwhile the blundering Sherriff who was more concerned about his political connections then actually training for such an incident did nothing. The day of the incident it became painfully apparent that the school and his department had zero interaction or training for something like this.

it's inconceivable that no one, the school officials nor the department who should have been briefed and made aware of the school's security system that it was on a ten minute delay. so they chased a ghost around the school possibly allowing more victims to fall. Icould understand a small rural department with little resources. that was not the case here. Commanding officers at the scene were in a dase and ineffective.

And after all of these blunders are uncovered, the politician's solution is to place more restrictions on those who never broke a law. Don't deal with the problem in the early stages. Wait for a disaster and then act.

rpenmanparker said:

I was shocked to realize that even I would likely fall into the “armed to the teeth” category as portrayed by the media with help of law enforcement. I mean, let’s face it, the media didn’t take those photos of the stash...at least I don’t think so.

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I think many of of us here on THR would be in "armed to the teeth" category as well. As many have said, most of his "cache" would be a family and friends range outing. Just last week I had half that many in my "stash" in my car for the range trip.

As to the media taking the pictures of the the stash, many departments or agencies will line up the "bounty" or evidence and invite the media to photograph it or tape it for their news stories. In some cases, the agency may release the pictures themselves to the news agencies.

Could you imagine the furor if a terrorist like this actually succeeded in killing someone?

I guess that would depends on who the victims were; it seems today that if they were more right of center, not much; if they were left of center, the outcry would last for months.

Walkalong said:

Since he committed no crime, he isn't a terrorist, just an idiot with possible bad intentions. We won't know if he would have ever actually done something.

It is just our media antis yelling "terrorist" because he was a gun owner to spread fear among the unknowing public. I am not surprised at all you have repeated it for them. Those same media folks were mighty quiet when certain other folks threatened people. No terrorist here ladies and gentleman, go about your business, everything is fine.....

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Walkalong,

What is your basis to suggest that LT Hasson "committed no crime"?

The indictment does a pretty job of laying out that he was in possession of firearms while being an unlawful user of Tramadol. That's a crime, and a felony.

I like how the “unbiased” moderator is blatantly defending a guy who literally had a hit list and the weaponry to start doing something significantly evil. Walkalong, you should be ashamed of yourself and publicly apologize. Defending a white supremacist and would-be domestic terrorist is not High Road. We’re lucky he was caught and stopped before he pulled a trigger, but this could very easily end up with AOC or someone else dead, and that’s something no one wants.