Underwood 30 Carbine 85 Grain Lehigh Xtreme Cavitator

IraqiVeteran8888 has never posted anything less then factual and well done, so I would believe the results.

It sure looks like an improvement.

There are quite a few improved .30 Carbine rounds out there.

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I like the M1 Carbine a lot. In fact, I have a folding stock Carbine handy right now.
For self defense use, I’m fine with the Hornady Critical Defense load, or even the standard old 110gn soft point, which has a long history of success in use by law enforcement.
If a bad guy takes either of those in the chest, I doubt he will say “whew, glad he didn’t use Underwood Xtreme Cavitator...”

As long as the M1 Carbine rifle was built by Underwood as well then there should be no issues.

I can’t imagine it’s terribly accurate

earlthegoat2 said:

As long as the M1 Carbine rifle was built by Underwood as well then there should be no issues.

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As mine is. I think Underwood had the best results fulfilling their contracts, and actually made parts, including barrels, for other manufacturers. Making semi precision parts pre-war, i.e., typewriters, probably didn't hurt.

Now all those naysayers who dissed the 30 carbine as worthless are going to want one.

Ammo does make a difference.

I have never understood the dismissal of the 30 carbine as a defensive round. Its basic ballistics of 110gr at 2000 feet per second means that at 100 yards it has similar ballistics to the famous "manstopper" 110gr 357 magnum rounds at the muzzle. Of course, it is a smaller diameter bullet, so the comparision is not completely equal, but the energy is there.

With the 30 caliber round, the bullet construction and performance is very critical, so I will be interested to hear more about the rounds described in this thread.

This video discussion from Forgotten Weapons brings up most of the mythology and reality of the Carbine's real-world performance. Spoiler: Hackathorn is an M1 Carbine fan.

About the only thing they left out was Jim Cirillo's comment about using an M1 carbine with Winchester 110-grain jacketed hollow point ammunition on bad guys during his time in the NYPD Stake Out Squad: it was the only 100% DRT (dead right there) combination.

During the LA Riots I was working part time in a gun store near LA. After surviving my drive home from USC, I went straight to work as we were swamped. At the time there was a 10 day wait on most firearms excluding Curios and Relics. I am sure you can see where I am going with this...I can't tell you how many M1 Carbines we sold only that whole UPS Trucks would come loaded with them. One truck would be loaded with rifles and the other ammo and magazines. We barely had time to put them on the books and they would go straight out the door. While some folks were OK waiting to pick up their firearm, most grabbed a Carbine and headed back home.

I also found it interested that after the riots were over, we hardly bought any guns back. I think a lot of people learned a good lesson about being prepared.

I have always liked the Carbine and felt well armed with one. I left one at my home during the riots for my dad who is not much of a shooter, but can hammer things with ease when shooting the M1 Carbine.

I am intrigued by this ammo, but like others have stated have had good luck with the SP options out there. I might give some a try just for the fun of it.

They are great rifles and I am glad to see continue interest in them.

Ignore -- I hit reply instead of edit. Duh.

Well, this thread needs pics...
I have used a CMP Inland as my HD longarm for quite a few years. This year, I found this Auto Ordnance used for a good price, so I decided to give it a try.
It shoots great, and I have semi retired my Inland, as far as practical use goes.

straightshooterjake said:

I have never understood the dismissal of the 30 carbine as a defensive round. Its basic ballistics of 110gr at 2000 feet per second means that at 100 yards it has similar ballistics to the famous "manstopper" 110gr 357 magnum rounds at the muzzle. Of course, it is a smaller diameter bullet, so the comparision is not completely equal, but the energy is there.

With the 30 caliber round, the bullet construction and performance is very critical, so I will be interested to hear more about the rounds described in this thread.

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A lot of it could be based on alleged lack of “stopping power” with military ball ammo.

I think more of it has to do with the American “more is better, most is best” mentality. Since the M1 carbine is a long gun, people inevitably compare its on paper ballistics to high pressure bottleneck cartridges, even though it was never intended to compete with such rounds. It’s supposed to bridge the gap between the portability of a handgun and the accuracy/terminal performance of a full size battle rifle.

Cue the AR fanatics to simply repeatedly shout the word “AR” while also blasting Nickelback and ording UFC tickets

Jason_W said:

A lot of it could be based on alleged lack of “stopping power” with military ball ammo.

I think more of it has to do with the American “more is better, most is best” mentality. Since the M1 carbine is a long gun, people inevitably compare its on paper ballistics to high pressure bottleneck cartridges, even though it was never intended to compete with such rounds. It’s supposed to bridge the gap between the portability of a handgun and the accuracy/terminal performance of a full size battle rifle.

Cue the AR fanatics to simply repeatedly shout the word “AR” while also blasting Nickelback and ording UFC tickets

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Rename the carbine the AR-M1 Carbine!!!!!!

I wonder if you can get Torx, Phillips, and Allen type Xtreme Cavitators?
Perhaps these might only be Intense Cavitators?

When it comes to authorities, Norman Schwarzkopf counts for a lot in my book: