Which Top End Gun to buy?

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drk1 said:
You'd like to hear what folks think? Well, at least one of us think why in the he.... did you allow your state to be taken over by lunatics???? How about taking the money you're thinking of spending on a toy that your politicians will only take away from you at the rate you're allowing your state to fall apart, and using that money to support some politican who has the gonads to take back your state?
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Seriously? Derailing the thread to attack our state and by extension all our state's gun-owners? Shame. Shame on you!

Back to the topic: I've got three on my current wish list (of non-1911s): CZ Shadow, SIG P-210 (yes, the new one), Beretta LTT (although if I find a 92X first …) The 210A, in spite of the fact that some here are claiming it's not a "real" 210, is a fine, fine production pistol. I've shot one, and it's certainly the real deal. It'll be the first of the three I mentioned I plan to pick up; I like the Shadow … because CZ-75 = cool and the Beretta, because I've seen what the LTT can do (and the 92 is my guilty pleasure).
 
RugerOldArmy said:
Luckily I tried this, before I read opinions on how it would work from people that never tried it!
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It will work fine. But it is harder without being able to co-witness the front sight. Either way it takes practice to build the muscle memory.
 
bc1023 said:
I’m seeing a lot of suggestions. I don’t see a lot of top end stuff.
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I think most people like myself are giving options that meet the OPs stated price range which is $2,000 =/-. For some people that is a Top end gun for others its an entry level gun. There is no need to be condescending. Everyone who knows you from multiple forums knows you have the means to buy just about anything you want. Why do you feel the need to diminish someone else's thread with that kind of shade? Seems uncalled for.

For the vast majority of people $2,000 is a lot of money to put into a single gun. It is not something they take lightly. It is not something they are able to do on a whim. It is a meaningful purchase which merits careful consideration. It might not meet your definition of "Top End" but that does not mean you have to piss on the thread.
 
ATLDave said:
OK, so it's not acquisition on the draw, it's tracking in recoil? What's your conjecture as to why that would be fundamentally harder to track? Are you sure it's not just the user returning to their "old" index during a course of fire?
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It could be, or it could be that having the dot lower on a slide mounted optic makes it easier to pick back up because more of the pistol is in the bottom of your peripheral vision as the slide reciprocates. Either way for most shooters using a slide mounted optic, myself included, lower is easier to use. I’m not sure how much keeping the admittedly small mass of the RDS low in relation to the wrist mitigates muzzle movement, but there might be an advantage there as well. A lot of it is admittedly subconscious level tasking for guys who are used to shooting iron sights and have a lot of time on them, you get used to presenting the pistol in a certain manner, and getting the dot down where your head position and eyes want it to be saves retraining time. I’ll admit that I suffer from this, particularly with a miniature red dot, but don’t have as much of an issue with a full size red dot on a gaming or hunting gun. Bigger lens/window helps me pick up the dot faster for sure.

That’s ignoring the durability advantages to keeping the sight low and supported in a machined pocket. I’m not going to voluntarily beat the snot out of my guns or optics, but Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics has some interesting tests on slide mounted red dots. Worth watching if you haven’t seen them. He’s a big fan of the Trijicon RMR Gen 2, and likes the Aimpoint ACRO P-1 quite a bit. He’s experienced more than a few catastrophic failures with other models. Then again he beats on them pretty hard, and keeps running them with cracked lenses as long as they hold zero and he can still acquire a dot.
 
WVsig said:
I think most people like myself are giving options that meet the OPs stated price range which is $2,000 =/-. For some people that is a Top end gun for others its an entry level gun. There is no need to be condescending. Everyone who knows you from multiple forums knows you have the means to buy just about anything you want. Why do you feel the need to diminish someone else's thread with that kind of shade? Seems uncalled for.

For the vast majority of people $2,000 is a lot of money to put into a single gun. It is not something they take lightly. It is not something they are able to do on a whim. It is a meaningful purchase which merits careful consideration. It might not meet your definition of "Top End" but that does not mean you have to piss on the thread.
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Pretty funny that you took the time to type all this.

Give me a break already. It was a simple observation. They aren’t top end by any means, regardless of perception. It’s not about my definition. It’s what they are and are not. However, I stated after seeing the price range that $2000 can still buy an excellent pistol. I own dozens of handguns below $2000 and enjoy shooting them just the same.
 
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OP, I recommend something from CZ Custom in that price range. They shoot as well as any pistol around out to 20-25 yards.

It was about $1500, if I remember correctly...decent quality and good bang for the buck.


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People asking the OP's question often could benefit from watching the video by Mr. LifeSizePotato. It really expanded my horizons, for one. Unfortunately, most guns on his list are something you cannot get quickly enough for OP's deadline. But nonetheless, there's more to the world than custom 1911s.

 
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Buy a gun that is no longer made and will probably never be made again. Examples being a Mauser broomhandle or a pre-war Lugar that has capture provenance.
 
Someone mentioned early on about the Witness pistols. I have several, and the last one I bought (a used Stock II) is simply an awesome shooter. If I had $2000 to blow, I would seriously look at some of their higher end guns, like the Xtreme series.

But I also want a 210. Decisions, decisions.
 
@Toprudder I just so happened to venture into an LGS today when a Sig representative was there. I handled a 210, and I was thoroughly impressed. The grips were insanely comfortable, and it had a lower bore axis than other Sigs that I have shot.
 
JudgeHolden10 said:
@Toprudder I just so happened to venture into an LGS today when a Sig representative was there. I handled a 210, and I was thoroughly impressed. The grips were insanely comfortable, and it had a lower bore axis than other Sigs that I have shot.
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That’s because the P210 was not a Sig Sauer originally. It’s a completely different gun than Sig Sauer P Series, even though the American version is dumbed way down to make it affordable to the masses.
 
If you are looking at classics and would consider a Revolver you could buy a Poor Man's Python aka Dan Wesson Model 15.
 
What you got against a 1911?

$1911 would get you a Les Baer Premier II from 1911 Heaven.

A Dan Wesson is nice for a good bit less.
 
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