AR-15 that's "just as good as".....

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What do you mean “hobby grade”?

You do know many police officers use M&P AR15s and they’re one of the best values out there.

You do know there are YouTube torture tests of PSA AR15s that show more abuse than those “operators” who were in the “sandbox”. Sorry but some “vet” “expert” whose job it is to get you to spend more isn’t who I’m going to listen to when he doesn’t even know what AR stands for.

Worse you could do a simple search using Google or Bing or your favorite search engine and see that “expert” is wrong.

Based on your replies I’m wanting to say you’re trolling. But I’m going to stop short of that as I don’t know if you’re sincere or not.

So I’d suggest you take some time and do some homework. And if you don’t like what you find listen to your “experts. Personally, I have a friend here who is in law enforcement and is a retired Gunny. Many here know him and trust him and I’m willing to bet if he says it’s right then it’s right.

As for parts quality, some things are easier to figure out. Barrel material and construction add to cost and reliability. But add trade offs. Triggers typically are something you pay more for to get a better product. But even there you can find value.

Stocks are all over the place but cheap ones rattle and are annoying while ones that cost hundreds can look cool and tactical and give no extra value. In between are tons with all sorts of pros and cons.

I’ve yet to figure out grips. Basic grips work and are cheap. But free float ones are all over the place in quality and price.

LPKs can be junk or value like PSAs. Again price isn’t always an indicator of what you’re getting.

Now get a Daniel Defense rifle and you can probably say it’s full of good parts. They and other top tier companies cost a lot and use good parts. But it doesn’t mean they’re “operator” or whatever hip and cool term you’re using quality.

So yes I’d rely on my PSA, a M&P or similar rifle to defend my life. I also wouldn’t trust my more expensive 3 gun rifle. The later being more of a “race gun” than a reliable workhorse.

Again I’m not slamming you but showing that there is a lot out there and not everything as it appears (including your LGS “experts”). And I don’t claim to be an expert, but I know enough to assemble a reliable AR and enough to put together a nice competition gun on a budget and have it do it’s job. To me those are things that matter, going bang and hitting the targets.

For starters, PSA and M&P are definitely hobby grade.
 
It depends on what you are looking for.

The accuracy of the hobby grade stuff is pretty close to the duty grade stuff, and would easily pass mil spec requirements. Reliability, as in consistent feeding and functioning, isn't an issue with the cheap rifles either. Lucky Gunner got 10,000 jam-free rounds out of a $750 Bushmaster when they fed it Federal ammo, and they are an ammo seller with no dog in the brand-wars fight. Durability is where the differences in mil spec really start to show, as the hobby stuff tends to quickly break down when you run it hard. But if the only places your rifle is ever going to go are your safe, your car, and your shooting range, durability isn't a huge concern either.

As long as you don't use a hobby gun like a duty gun, you'll probably be pretty happy with it.

You are wrong. You don't even know what's in the TDP. Just because it's the same size or interchangeable doesn't mean it's "Mil Spec".
 
I have a PSA upper that I have used to shoot sub-MOA groups at 300 yards. I would not be inclined to swap it for a Mil-Spec M4 upper. It is of no matter to me that it is not "mil-spec."
 
I have AR's made by Ruger, PSA, Stag, and Rock River. The Rock River is 25 years old and the Stag not much younger. The other 2 have been purchased within the last few years. Three out of the 4 have chrome lined barrels, all are considered mid-level AR's, all shoot MOA with good ammo and optics. I paid between $500-$700 for them and none have ever failed in any way. Of course $700 twenty five years ago was a lot more than $700 today.

To borrow a line from the movie "We were soldiers", If the time ever comes when I need a better one, there will be plenty laying on the ground.
 
Absolutely not, and if someone offered to do it for free to my existing sub-MOA barrel, I would tell them to kindly bugger off.

Even if you are a sub-MOA shooter, and I doubt it, your barrel won't last as long a CL one will.
Here's some other non-milspec stuff that I have and wouldn't trade for the mil-spec version:
  • My USPSA-oriented competition pistols.
  • My handloaded ammo.
  • My eyeglasses.
  • My car.
  • My house.
  • My salary.

FIFY


A stippled Glock.
Cheap Bullseye powder
Rudy Project glasses
BMW
McMansion in a cookie cutter development with and HOA
Enjoy working in a cubicle.
 
Even if you are a sub-MOA shooter, and I doubt it, your barrel won't last as long a CL one will.


FIFY


A stippled Glock.
Cheap Bullseye powder
Rudy Project glasses
BMW
McMansion in a cookie cutter development with and HOA
Enjoy working in a cubicle.


Wow, for someone that's been a member here for going on 9 years, your attitude does not reflect THR standards.

Did you actually want information from this post or was your intent to start a topic and then argue with every response after that based on your "superior opinion"?
 
Wow, for someone that's been a member here for going on 9 years, your attitude does not reflect THR standards.

Did you actually want information from this post or was your intent to start a topic and then argue with every response after that based on your "superior opinion"?
Between this and the Kimber thread, another name just got added to my list...
 
Wow, for someone that's been a member here for going on 9 years, your attitude does not reflect THR standards.

Did you actually want information from this post or was your intent to start a topic and then argue with every response after that based on your "superior opinion"?

Not arguing, but frankly, most responders opinion are "inferior" to mine.
 
Trolls gonna troll. Why do people feed these morons? If you starve them, they leave. I’d be surprised if the OP owns a “milspec” rifle. If he did, he’d be searching for upgrades.
 
@CoThG You asked an ambiguous question, and included an annoying, very well-known, terminology error.

You received an answer, as useful as could be expected given your own lack of specificity, from one of the most knowledgeable professional riflesmiths on the forum, a guy who's consistently demonstrated exceptionally rare and deep knowledge about this subject. . . and your response was to smart off.

If you actually want to learn something, go read this recent thread on precisely this topic. There's plenty to be learned here, but you'll never hear it if you can't imagine that someone might know something you don't already know.
 
Not arguing, but frankly, most responders opinion are "inferior" to mine.
I wonder why you even bother to ask questions when it is clear that you believe that your knowledge is superior to all others.
Why don't you just enlighten us with your Knowledge. But before doing so, be sure to inform us as to where you gained your knowledge.
That way you may sway my opinion of you. Because, as of right now I see you as someone with an opinion based on nothing and just a TROLL.
 
@CoThG You asked an ambiguous question, and included an annoying, very well-known, terminology error.

You received an answer, as useful as could be expected given your own lack of specificity, from one of the most knowledgeable professional riflesmiths on the forum, a guy who's consistently demonstrated exceptionally rare and deep knowledge about this subject. . . and your response was to smart off.

If you actually want to learn something, go read this recent thread on precisely this topic. There's plenty to be learned here, but you'll never hear it if you can't imagine that someone might know something you don't already know.

I was going say that I use hi-cap clips in my assault rifle. But I thought that might be too obvious. Thank you all for playing.
 
@CoThG You asked an ambiguous question, and included an annoying, very well-known, terminology error.

You received an answer, as useful as could be expected given your own lack of specificity, from one of the most knowledgeable professional riflesmiths on the forum, a guy who's consistently demonstrated exceptionally rare and deep knowledge about this subject. . . and your response was to smart off.

If you actually want to learn something, go read this recent thread on precisely this topic. There's plenty to be learned here, but you'll never hear it if you can't imagine that someone might know something you don't already know.

Thanks for the link, but I already own "premium brand" ARs.
 
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