Anybody had a problem when using mags at max capacity +1 ??

TGT said:

Please guys, enough with the smart remarks and lecturing down to me.

You will be under stress in an emergency situation and likely NOT be shooting your best. In the scenario in which multiple thugs are shooting at you from beyond point-blank range, statistics show that the majority of your return fire will miss. Statistics show many instances in which police had emptied their magazines and hit the perpetrator just once or not at all. To increase the odds of my connecting with a moving target who is armed and firing at me, I want an 11th round if it's available to me JUST IN CASE it could make a difference. Maybe I have already connected twice on an adrenaline crazed meth head and it's my final 11th round that is still needed. You just never know what situation can arise, and I prefer to be prepared.

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TGT said:

Please guys, enough with the smart remarks and lecturing down to me.

You will be under stress in an emergency situation and likely NOT be shooting your best. In the scenario in which multiple thugs are shooting at you from beyond point-blank range, statistics show that the majority of your return fire will miss. Statistics show many instances in which police had emptied their magazines and hit the perpetrator just once or not at all. To increase the odds of my connecting with a moving target who is armed and firing at me, I want an 11th round if it's available to me JUST IN CASE it could make a difference. Maybe I have already connected twice on an adrenaline crazed meth head and it's my final 11th round that is still needed. You just never know what situation can arise, and I prefer to be prepared.

Kindly don't humor me, and I'll refrain from doing it on you.

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TGT said:

Well, I had the chance to go back to the range today and shoot 5 different kinds of ammo including HST+P ammo and some near max hand loads for testing the magazine under stout recoil. I fired 67 rounds total and purposely topped off the flat base magazine at least 10 times. I would load it up 10+1 rounds, and then after the 2nd or 3rd shot I would take the magazine out of the gun and top the gun off again back to 10+1. A couple of times I fired 6 or 7 rounds and topped it off back up to 10+1, and a couple of times I fired off all 11 rounds without interruption. There was NOT a single instance of the magazine releasing from the gun.

Being I have spent many years having carried flat base magazines in my guns with no grip for my pinkie finger, (as I never felt the need for having a pinkie finger extension) I will simply now continue that trend and only carry this gun with flat base mags.

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TGT said:

As detailed in my post #29, I did intensive shooting to test the flat base mags, and I got 100% reliability. Having experienced problems with pinkie finger mags, the simple solution that provides full 10+1 capacity with 100% reliability is for me to carry flat base magazine. This is no different style carry for me then I had already been doing for many years in the +1 capacity with my Kahr MK9, G27 & G33.

Case Closed.

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Hangingrock said:

My EDC is a S&W Shield 9X19mm with the (8) Rd capacity magazine. I insert the magazine chamber a round and that's it, thus I don't top off the magazine. Years and years ago when I started conceal carry, it was with S&W K &J frame revolvers with capacities of (6) and (5) rounds. With the semiautomatic pistols the 1911 series 45ACP standard capacity (7) rounds and the BHP 9X19mm (13) rounds. Outside of my military service, I've never been involved in a shooting incident, now in my seventh decade. The additional round/topping off concept is highly overrated.

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TGT said:

As detailed in my post #29, I did intensive shooting to test the flat base mags, and I got 100% reliability. Having experienced problems with pinkie finger mags, the simple solution that provides full 10+1 capacity with 100% reliability is for me to carry flat base magazine. This is no different style carry for me then I had already been doing for many years in the +1 capacity with my Kahr MK9, G27 & G33.

Case Closed.
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JohnKSa said:

Listen to your equipment. When a magazine needs "to be pushed very hard into the grip to drive it home", it's trying to tell you something.

Beretta, in some of their handgun manuals actually sort of half-heartedly suggests not loading to +1 capacity. I've got some guns that are designed so inserting a fully loaded mag into the gun when the slide is forward is "very hard". So I don't do it.

It's hard to get the mag in because the mag spring is fully compressed and there's not enough give to let the mag go into the gun without really jamming it in.

Think about how much upward pressure that puts on the slide. That pressure means more force is required to cycle the slide which can reduce reliability.

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Jeb Stuart said:

I totally agree. And I have never done the +1. Maybe I am lucky, but all my pistols run great. I will never try and force more compression down on a spring. I think manufacturers are always trying to use the +1 for marketing to make the public perceive they are getting more rounds in a pistol. And some high quality magazines are strong. Do what you want and each to his own. But it sure as heck works for me and proof is in the pudding as they say.
By the way the Beretta magazines at least on the Pico and the Nano are some of the best quality I have seen. And they are strong. Like all my magazines, I let them take a "Set" before use.

And as far as Pinky extensions, I owned 4 Ruger LCP's and two LC9's and use pinky extensions on all my other guns. Never a problem at all. Maybe the brand of extension or early models, I do not know. But for myself, no problems.

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Cump said:

It was actually a lcp2 and late lc9s. With pinky extension, the follower would rest visibly and measurably lower. In both cases, ruger sent me additional mags, with the flat bases. Issue was transferable to new mags with the pinky extensions. Mags all worked with flat bases. The negative effect was an occasional failure to lock back, which never occurred with the flat bases.

As I said above, i have had other pinky grips that made it more likely for me to strip the mag on recoil, hitting the mag release and exerting the bit of downward force on the pinky grip. And i suppose with the rugers downward force on the pinky grip could have combined with the lower follower height to prevent lockback. Thus maybe wouldn't appear with another shooter, but the measurable difference, and the contrast with the flat base plates, convinced me it was partially causal.

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Jeb Stuart said:

Actually the gun I have now is the LC9S with Pinky and still have a LCP with one. Sorry you had problems. And while I do not shoot these guns as often now as I have moved on to others, I will say the LCP Gen 1 and Gen 2 never had reliability issues other than when I first started shooting them and limp wristed the gun. The LC9 and LC9S run like tops as far as reliability. Maybe it is dependent on the shooter and grip. I never used the extensions to grip the gun in the first place. Personally feel that is a incorrect way to use them. I have most of my pressure on the the two middle fingers and use the pinky more of a balance. I also feel the pinky extensions were made for drawing fast more than to control the gun. JMO.

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