President Trump Rejects Stronger Background Checks

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You know what Millard Filmore did as POTUS. All that stuff is a done deal. We have be concerned with today and the flip flops etc. I have to go along with the anti-Hilary vote. Also, there was a strong anti-Trump vote. That anti-Trump vote is going to be stronger in 2020. POTUS fired research firms who had him being defeated by any candidate. That included the present Champion female soccer player. I recall a comment made here where the mass shootings were"inconvenient." Wow!
 
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AlexanderA said:
Think strategically. It's the totality of the situation that counts, not one particular individual. The antigunners plan for 10,15 years down the road. The pro-gun side should start doing the same. What do we do after Trump, whether that's in 2021 or 2025?
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take your own advice. 4 more years of originalist appellate and supreme court justices will mean more than anything else. the idea of people claiming to be conservative and advocating voting for hillary or bernie because they don't like the tweets of the guy supporting all their positions is just lunacy.

AlexanderA said:
Ironically, if Hillary had been elected, we would not now have a bump stock ban. It would have been opposed unanimously by the Republicans in Congress.
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and how could the unanimously opposed republicans in congress stop an administrative action like the bump stock ban? hmm?
and what makes you think there would be a republican majority in either house if trump loses in 2018? as the top of the ticket goes, so goes the legislature.
 
I hope this weekends going on's and any future shootings do not cause the POTUS to flip again and create more of a mess with an EO. We do have to fight everything anti 2A at the local/state level now forward with more purpose. The conservative side has traditionally taken the high road in this fight but I see the need for us to use the anti's own play book against them going forward IMO. I was taught when you HAVE to fight you fight to win. Fighting fair does not guarantee a winning outcome either.
 
If "rational people" come to the obvious conclusion, that "hey I had better get one or two of these things, just in case someone shoots at me or my family at home or out and about. Then this should end for the most part. If everyone is armed, then everyone keeps each other safe. Police are clueless, I asked two sergeants yesterday about reciprocity due to the hurricane, "I was thinking if going to friends in Indiana or Nashville, and they didn't know what I was talking about. It really pissed me off that they didn't even know what it meant, or which states were legal to pass through or stay in with a FL carry. I had already looked it up, but wanted to see how they would react. You should be OK, but I don't know, and the other shrugged his shoulders. And we expect great things from some of these guys. Then he asked me if I had a license, which I had already addressed in the opening sentence.
 
BigBore44 said:
As a teacher, are you even allowed to question them why they were so upset and explain the actual facts? Or did you just have to coddle to them and give them safe space?
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Only within the confines of the curriculum. I was able to calm their fears by re-explaining how our government works; that he's only 1/3 of the government, and he's the weakest of the 3 branches. His loss of the popular vote made things very difficult. In fact every year since, we have to keep having the same discussion, over and over, about why the electoral college was created and why Trump is the legitimate president. There is much resistance to that idea, and when we do our "write your own amendment project every year, I get multiple versions of a "repeal the electoral college" amendment.

BigBore44 said:
Seriously, it’s no wonder why our children are so screwed up. It’s certainly a different time than when I was in high school less than 20 years ago. Kids didn’t cry unless someone they actually knew, died.
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I know that young people, high school to college age, cried when Kennedy was assassinated. (My mom was in 10th grade at the time.) But if it happened today, there would be celebration throughout my school. In the years since his election, with about 150 students per year, I've had one...ONE student say anything good about him, and a second student came to me and said she wished it was safe to support Trump, but she was afraid of what her classmates would say/do to her, socially, outside of class, if they knew she supported Trump. (I pretty much feel the same way with my both students and my colleagues; it's not safe to be a conservative while working in education.)
 
I note that TX has some new positive gun laws and the standard media sources are going nuts and don't actually understand the laws. Candidates like Beto are doing the blood in the streets boogie. The laws have nothing to do with any of the incidents in the recent past.
 
Elkins45 said:
The only person in a position to protect RKBA is Cocaine Mitch...if we’re lucky. Like Trump, he only has to maintain a pro-gun facade until re-election, but unlike Trump he could potentially run for another more term beyond the next one. McConnell simply can’t get re-elected in Kentucky if he allows significant anti-gun legislation to pass.
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McConnell could block antigun legislation if he was in the position of either Majority Leader or Minority Leader (because of the 60-vote filibuster rule). Blocking legislation is relatively easy. On the other hand, promoting pro-gun legislation is something that he could have done as Majority Leader, when the Republicans had the presidency plus control of the House. Why didn't McConnell and the GOP at least pass the silencer bill and national reciprocity? What good does it do to keep electing these people?
 
Supposedly the bills would be filibustered. However, there was no effort to merge those bills with needed legislation to force the issue. There was no national campaign to discuss why they were needed or a good idea.

The conspiracy theory is that the progun folks only play defense as if they had positive results that vitiated gun laws, they lose the issue to get voters to turn out. If SCOTUS voided the gun law threat, the NRA would be sunk for membership as a major sales point is playing defense. Lose that and you got the sportspeople, hunters and training. Single issue voters that don't like the GOP but want gun rights would be freed from that consideration.
 
AlexanderA said:
McConnell could block antigun legislation if he was in the position of either Majority Leader or Minority Leader (because of the 60-vote filibuster rule). Blocking legislation is relatively easy. On the other hand, promoting pro-gun legislation is something that he could have done as Majority Leader, when the Republicans had the presidency plus control of the House. Why didn't McConnell and the GOP at least pass the silencer bill and national reciprocity? What good does it do to keep electing these people?
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Until the majority kills the filibuster rule ... nuclear option.
 
GEM said:
I note that TX has some new positive gun laws and the standard media sources are going nuts and don't actually understand the laws. Candidates like Beto are doing the blood in the streets boogie. The laws have nothing to do with any of the incidents in the recent past.
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There could not only not be another mass shooting, but ANY shooting for the next ten years and the other side's goal would STILL be to disarm everyone not totally under their control.

This isn't about crime.
This isn't about shootings.
This is about POWER.
 
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GEM said:
I note that TX has some new positive gun laws and the standard media sources are going nuts and don't actually understand the laws. Candidates like Beto are doing the blood in the streets boogie. The laws have nothing to do with any of the incidents in the recent past.
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ALL of the Dem candidates are declaring outright bans, most with confiscation. Before the end of the year they will ALL be clamoring for "assault weapon" or semi-auto bans with confiscation. Trump is certainly our best alternative by a wide margin ...
 
GEM said:
Supposedly the bills would be filibustered. However, there was no effort to merge those bills with needed legislation to force the issue. There was no national campaign to discuss why they were needed or a good idea.

The conspiracy theory is that the progun folks only play defense as if they had positive results that vitiated gun laws, they lose the issue to get voters to turn out. If SCOTUS voided the gun law threat, the NRA would be sunk for membership as a major sales point is playing defense. Lose that and you got the sportspeople, hunters and training. Single issue voters that don't like the GOP but want gun rights would be freed from that consideration.
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I've been saying that for decades. NO ONE wants this issue resolved.
 
Select the best of those running and continue to keep pressure on them through our 2A organizations (especially the ones they are known to listen to) and continue the direct pressure through correspondence and phone calls on all of our representatives.
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The ONLY thing politicians of any stripe understand.

Regards,
hps
 
I'd just like to remind everyone that publicly insulting a whole generation or group of people isn't a great way to convince them to vote for our cause, as hillary demonstrated 3 years ago.
 
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