Outlaw75
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Can anyone tell me anything about this ammo? I've got 1000 rounds that I picked up back during the famine. Never shot it. Their website gives a velocity of 1086 f/s out of a 25" bbl. No drop data.
RWS Target Rifle .22LR 40gr LRN
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.455_Hunter
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My son's rifle club shoots it in the higher-end Anschutz rifles. Most of the kids are working on NRA Expert or Distinguished Expert.
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22-rimfire
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Subsonc 22 ammo and lower end target ammo. (Generally the type of target 22 ammo I look for and can afford.) I would suggest you give it a try with your 22's. I have read reports of it being very good grouping at very well at 50 and 100 yds, and have also read reports that it does about an inch groups at 50 yds. One inch groups aren't great at 50 yds for me. As you know with 22 ammo, every 22 rifle shoots a little differently. It is still sold today.
Can anyone tell me anything about this ammo? I've got 1000 rounds that I picked up back during the famine. Never shot it. Their website gives a velocity of 1086 f/s out of a 25" bbl. No drop data.
RWS Target is good stuff. I have shot several cases worth, it is on the same accuracy level as SK Rifle Match. This level of match ammunition requires a good barrel, good chamber, to display its accuracy potential.
In terms of bullet drop, this will require 8 MOA of elevation to go from 50 yards to 100 yards. Plus or minus a couple of clicks.
Anschutz M54 1965 barrel
RWS Target
4 Dec 2013 T = 71 °F
Ave Vel = 1050
Std Dev = 12
ES = 52.42
High = 1068
Low = 1016
Number shots= 26
Anschutz M54 Atkinson Custom Barrel
RWS Target Match 2014 ammunition
13 Aug 2014 T = 84 °F
Ave Vel = 1079
Std Dev = 10
ES = 35.69
High = 1092
Low = 1057
N = 24
cougar1717
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Target Rifle is one of RWS's lowest target offerings. It's mid-grade ammo, so some boxes and lots are better than others. It's two star ammo per RWS's grading (with five being the best in R50). In their own literature, it's graded as "26mm" ammo. Ten shots at 50m out of their test barrel attained a maximum of 26mm. It is my opinion that any lot that groups bigger than 26mm (that doesn't make RWS TR) is tossed into RWS Club boxes, or as most people know it: "Geco Rifle."
In my testing, the accuracy of RWS TR bears out. My rolling average for the ammo (5 shot groups at 50 yards) is .904". It has a considerable amount of lube on it, but not so much as say, SK Magazine.
The quality will vary, depending on the boxes you have. In my testing, some boxes of 50 cartridges can be reasonably good. The best box of 50 that I have tested was ES 63fps, SD 13. However, the box right next to that one in the same brick had an ES of over 250fps, which included an 850fps cartridge and one over 1100fps.
If you examine the cartridges themselves, you can see that the bearing surface isn't as consistent as higher grades of ammo. Many times, it's obvious that Target Rifle is overcrimped since there is visible skirting of the bullet. If you have higher graded cartridges to compare, it is easier to see the external imperfections that make RWS TR the lower graded ammo.
It is also widely known that RWS TR and Norma TAC 22 are the same ammo, just in different boxes, if you have ever used the latter.
All in all, RWS TR is ... well... just ok. It's better than bulk ammos, like Federal, CCI, even SV (flame away), Remington (except the offerings that Eley makes for them), or anything that Winchester makes.
But, on average, it will not attain ES's of 40fps or less that higher graded ammos can in order to shoot the smallest groups.
So, don't fall for cherry picked groups on mid grade ammo. The smallest group I've ever shot with RWS TR is .259", but it averages .904" for me.
In my testing, the accuracy of RWS TR bears out. My rolling average for the ammo (5 shot groups at 50 yards) is .904". It has a considerable amount of lube on it, but not so much as say, SK Magazine.
The quality will vary, depending on the boxes you have. In my testing, some boxes of 50 cartridges can be reasonably good. The best box of 50 that I have tested was ES 63fps, SD 13. However, the box right next to that one in the same brick had an ES of over 250fps, which included an 850fps cartridge and one over 1100fps.
If you examine the cartridges themselves, you can see that the bearing surface isn't as consistent as higher grades of ammo. Many times, it's obvious that Target Rifle is overcrimped since there is visible skirting of the bullet. If you have higher graded cartridges to compare, it is easier to see the external imperfections that make RWS TR the lower graded ammo.
It is also widely known that RWS TR and Norma TAC 22 are the same ammo, just in different boxes, if you have ever used the latter.
All in all, RWS TR is ... well... just ok. It's better than bulk ammos, like Federal, CCI, even SV (flame away), Remington (except the offerings that Eley makes for them), or anything that Winchester makes.
But, on average, it will not attain ES's of 40fps or less that higher graded ammos can in order to shoot the smallest groups.
So, don't fall for cherry picked groups on mid grade ammo. The smallest group I've ever shot with RWS TR is .259", but it averages .904" for me.
22-rimfire
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It really all depends on what you expect out of the RWS TR in terms of accuracy. Generally higher the price, the better the consistency. I shoot CCI SV a fair amount and it is okay for me. It is sort of my benchmark ammo with Remington Golden Bullets being the low end standard. My HV shooter stuff is Federal 510's which I like overall. That is pretty much what I load up for plinking sessions.
I have some old PMC Moderators that I just love out of my TC Lynx (like the classic); sub half inch groups at 50 yds are the norm. I don't even test it in other rifles as I have a finite supply (a couple cases) and save it for the TC.
If you shoot other 22 ammo and want to preserve those two cartons, just use it for testing. I would compare it directly to CCI SV personally.
What 22 rifles are you shooting? What is your normal 22 ammo?
I have some old PMC Moderators that I just love out of my TC Lynx (like the classic); sub half inch groups at 50 yds are the norm. I don't even test it in other rifles as I have a finite supply (a couple cases) and save it for the TC.
If you shoot other 22 ammo and want to preserve those two cartons, just use it for testing. I would compare it directly to CCI SV personally.
What 22 rifles are you shooting? What is your normal 22 ammo?
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Outlaw75
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It's a Savage Mk2 that hasn't been shot for a while. Like I said above, I got the RWS back during the famine. All I was able to find back then was Thunderbolts, so it won't have to do too much work to beat that.
22-rimfire
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I have a Savage Mark II Classic (24" barrel with the walnut stocks). The Savages shoot pretty good. I also shoot Thunder turds for giggles. They generally aren't as consistent as golden bullets with more fail to fires. The ammo that folks consider poor always make my better ammo seem "better" when I know that I could acquire much higher grade target ammo. But I only shoot against myself.
I bought some 22 ammo during the Obama famine, but I had enough and would just pick up a few boxes here and there that was priced okay. In particular, I was looking for 22 mags which were scarce. I wanted to have about 1000 rounds on hand, but I don't shoot it much. I wanted the 40 gr CCI stuff mostly.
I bought some 22 ammo during the Obama famine, but I had enough and would just pick up a few boxes here and there that was priced okay. In particular, I was looking for 22 mags which were scarce. I wanted to have about 1000 rounds on hand, but I don't shoot it much. I wanted the 40 gr CCI stuff mostly.
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22-rimfire
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That's only 13 feet. Easy to account for... the wind is another matter.
It's good ammo, reasonably priced and suitable for a suppressed rifle.
I have fired enough of this ammo to come to this conclusion:
On one R55 Benchmark rifle: 17505 rounds
On another R55 Benchmark rifle: 5577 rounds
On a SIG522 rifle: 1170 rounds
On a 10/22 type rifle (receiver machined in the UK): 10750 rounds
For a grand total of 35002 rounds, most of that was shooting suppressed. That doesn't include rounds fired on other people's guns or club guns.
I have fired enough of this ammo to come to this conclusion:
On one R55 Benchmark rifle: 17505 rounds
On another R55 Benchmark rifle: 5577 rounds
On a SIG522 rifle: 1170 rounds
On a 10/22 type rifle (receiver machined in the UK): 10750 rounds
For a grand total of 35002 rounds, most of that was shooting suppressed. That doesn't include rounds fired on other people's guns or club guns.
22-rimfire
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I guess I'll ask.... why do you keep count of rounds fired and the type/brand/variety of ammunition? Regardless that is still a lot of shooting. You didn't say how they shoot however to characterize beyond "good ammo".
I log all the ammo I shoot and the failure rates in all my .22s partly because I test suppressors.
So yep, I have spreadsheets detailing ammo used and lot numbers per session.
For ammo to be good, it must:
1) Feed properly in my 7 R55 magazines and in my 10 Ruger BX25s
2) Have consistent case hardness
3) Have reliable ignition. Well, in this case, reliable within the limits of a rimfire round
4) Consistent powder within a batch of 5000 of the same lot
Of the reasonably-priced "slow" ammo, the top three in this category used to be RWS Target RIfle, Eley Sport and CCI standard.
However the Eley let me down because I had several batches of hard cases with a failure to fire.
The CCI standard was good until I got 1 bad batch which wouldn't feed properly in my BX25 mags. It wasn't the mags because I have ten of them!
The bullets felt loose on the case and they would jam in the magazine, not even coming up to the point where they could be stripped from the magazine. Also, during loading, I would find a jam and couldn't load past a certain number, say 18 or 19 in a 25 round mag.
SK magazine in the bulk tin has been good in all areas except ignition. I've had a lot of properly-struck cases which failed to fire. This is with one batch of 1500.
So I am not going back to those, which is a pity because they are cheaper than the RWS Target Rifle.
So yep, I have spreadsheets detailing ammo used and lot numbers per session.
For ammo to be good, it must:
1) Feed properly in my 7 R55 magazines and in my 10 Ruger BX25s
2) Have consistent case hardness
3) Have reliable ignition. Well, in this case, reliable within the limits of a rimfire round
4) Consistent powder within a batch of 5000 of the same lot
Of the reasonably-priced "slow" ammo, the top three in this category used to be RWS Target RIfle, Eley Sport and CCI standard.
However the Eley let me down because I had several batches of hard cases with a failure to fire.
The CCI standard was good until I got 1 bad batch which wouldn't feed properly in my BX25 mags. It wasn't the mags because I have ten of them!
The bullets felt loose on the case and they would jam in the magazine, not even coming up to the point where they could be stripped from the magazine. Also, during loading, I would find a jam and couldn't load past a certain number, say 18 or 19 in a 25 round mag.
SK magazine in the bulk tin has been good in all areas except ignition. I've had a lot of properly-struck cases which failed to fire. This is with one batch of 1500.
So I am not going back to those, which is a pity because they are cheaper than the RWS Target Rifle.
Correction, the oldest R55 has no failure rates, only ammo totals. The other R55 has failure rates, as does a SIG522 (which I have since sold) and the 10/22 clone.
Between those four rifles, I have fired or supervised firing of exactly 86523 rounds. Most of those rounds were fired from 2013 onwards.
Between those four rifles, I have fired or supervised firing of exactly 86523 rounds. Most of those rounds were fired from 2013 onwards.
22-rimfire
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So how many rounds are you typically shooting from a case (5,000) to test suppressors? I'm a fan of the TC R55 rifles. I have the Lynx which is sort of like the All Weather R55. And they really do shoot half-inch groups at 50 yds with ammo they like.
From a batch of 5000 usually all of those will be fired suppressed. A large quantity of RWS Target Rifle went through one A-TEC CMM suppressor.
But these days I spread the rounds amongst all 13 suppressors and I use 5 or 10 rounds as fouling rounds unsuppressed if the rifle has just been cleaned. That's because I don't want cleaning products going into suppressors I am testing.
There is a link in my signature to one of the suppressor tests.
But these days I spread the rounds amongst all 13 suppressors and I use 5 or 10 rounds as fouling rounds unsuppressed if the rifle has just been cleaned. That's because I don't want cleaning products going into suppressors I am testing.
There is a link in my signature to one of the suppressor tests.
dc.fireman
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Nailed it.
It's comparable to SK Standard Plus; and what I use for smallbore metric prone practice. It occasionally holds its own @ 100 yards. One area where it excels over SK is that it doesn't usually feature the classic SK 'dropped shot'. It groups slightly larger than I feel comfortable using in a match.
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Half of the magic in match ammo is the lube....Hold on to match ammo too long and the lube dries up and accuracy goes out the window.....Something to consider when talking about ammo several years old.
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I've found that wiping older match ammo with a patch moistened (not soaked) with (Original) Hoppe's will re-soften old dried lube. Do it the night before a match, and in the morning it's good to go.
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I reckon it depends on the kinda match we are talking about. I dabble in benchrest. I have seen alot of guys try to rejuvenate old high end ammo, but never seen any positive results.
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