Suppressor Or Not For HD

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I dont agree with this guy but I'd be interested to here you folks thoughts.







My HD guns consist of the G17 near the bed and 12g pump nearby, both unsuppressed. I dont bother with electronic muffs because I want absolute hearing until the moment.

I'm willing to depart with some hearing in order to protect my family and I'm almost positive that in the moment it wont matter in the delegation of warranted force.

That being said, if I had a can for my pistol or long gun I'd certainly use it.


Y'alls thoughts....
 
if I had a can for my pistol or long gun I'd certainly use it.

+1

I like the guys thoughts on the psychological effect and comparison to a fire breathing dragon. Most of the guns I've seen/heard that were equipped with silencers were still pretty loud.
 
Suppressor all the way unless it compromises function or makes the weapon unwieldy in the house etc. Even then... I'd find a way to fix that if possible and be suppressed.

Lower flash, lower recoil, less blast means FASTER AND BETTER shooting. Win win as far as I can see.
 
Well, just to provide the other opinion, I've heard people say if you use an unsuppressed AR pistol, even if you don't hit BG he'll be blind and deaf after you fire. I.e. similar to what the guy in the video says. IOW a feature rather than a bug. If your house is secured well enough that BG can't instantly break in (you have security doors on all the outside doors and security film on all the windows) you would have time to put your muffs on. If you're gonna do that you have to practice it so you don't forget in the heat of the moment.
 
I think any perceived psychological effects of seeing/being blinded by muzzle flash and hearing/being deafened by the blast would be far out wieghed by having a few bullets run through a humans torso.

I would lose (more) hearing to save my life. But if it could be avoided with a suppressor I would use it without question.

If some hobgoblin gets all the way to the point of being at my gun point, I want it shot, stopped and waiting for the Police and Paramedics. Not scared from my psychological upper hand, fled, and thanking it's lucky stars.
Just to go down to the nice lady at the corner with the cute little house and not be shot again...

Why I should lose any (more) of my hearing for that is beyond me.

Besides, cans are cool! If I had one I would use it every chance I got. (On the range, no blood thirst here. I prefer a single malt to hemoglobin.)
It would suck to lose it for a while if it was used in a self defense capacity, but again, alive and not deaf has merit to it.
 
I think this really is a minor debate and just not that relevant in the real world. That said, I'm not using a suppressor on anything mostly since it adds a lot of length to a platform and is not easy to secure (in my set up) with the thing attached. Also, as mentioned I don't want the police to have it for months or years as they figure things out.
 
If some hobgoblin gets all the way to the point of being at my gun point, I want it shot, stopped and waiting for the Police and Paramedics. Not scared from my psychological upper hand, fled, and thanking it's lucky stars.
Just to go down to the nice lady at the corner with the cute little house and not be shot again...
You do not want to hear a prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney reading those words to a jury, should you ever have to shoot an intruder and he dies.
 
Within the last year or so I made the decision to go all-in on HD silencers (with the exception of 2 guns which aren't practical to do so). I have different guns for different uses within the house and the silencers won't compromise form or function on the weapons they will be mounted on.

I'm not worried if the guns, silencers or anything else get taken nor am I concerned with the cost or wait time. Buy what you like, you only have so much life to live.
 
You do not want to hear a prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney reading those words to a jury, should you ever have to shoot an intruder and he dies.

Probably...
Point was shoot to stop and to protect life.
Not kill.
Not shoot near a murderer to blind and deafen it.

But yes. You got me...

Now I need to figure out how he got inside, all the way upstairs and in my bedroom, at night.

Prolly just bringing me breakfast...:)
 
I have a suppressor or 2, and I would never use them or any other NFA device for HD. I have been in real gunfights, both indoors and outdoors, with and without suppressors and/or hearing protection. Police officers and other armed professionals get into gun fights every day without suppressors and without earplugs. It sucks, but that is one of the things that I accept in a gunfight. Kind of like the black eyes, bloody lips and noses, and so forth that I get in MMA. I have no desire to have my NFA stuff confiscated, nor do I wish for such items to be used as evidence in court. Not to mention, that I expect bad guy rounds to be in the air, and unless he/she/they are using suppressors, it's still going to be loud. As far as the "psychological advantage" of my firearm making noise, I hope the noise will be irrelevant to whomever I would happen to direct it to. Because hopefully that individual(s) is more concerned with major leaks than the amount of noise in the house.
 
But how much muzzle flash does it have?

Nice plug work-in though.:D

The point of my post was just meant to show how many people have a suppressed gun for home defense. Unless you are in the suppressor business you probably wouldn’t realize it. My perspective is strictly from a handguns with suppressors.
 
Suppressors reduce the noise level but not to the point where hearing protection is no longer needed. Electronic muffs should not compromise hearing. Actually, if you turn up the gain, you will hear fainter sounds than you would with no muffs. About all you can do for muzzle flash is to select low flash ammunition and avoid fireball generators like .357 magnum out of a short barrel.
 
Have to disagree with WP on this one. If supressors were easier to get, I would have them on a dedicated HD pistol and HD rifle. A much better deterrent than a "fire breathing dragon AR" is 3+ rounds center mass.
 
I don't own a suppressor so there is my disclaimer. My opinion is that I want my neighbors to hear the commotion if anything happens. I have let them know ahead of time that it would be fairly loud should anything occur.
 
Thought about this for a bit... here's my take on it...

Folks on this site are pretty skilled and have a high regard for good quality gear... but sometimes a bit of discretion is in order... For home defense you need a solid weapon that will stop an attacker (and hopefully end the fight with as little return fire as possible)... Remember that you're going to lose whatever weapon you employ (maybe not forever but long enough that you're going to need a replacement....) so that might just enter the equation... Now for the side of things that most don't consider. A silencer is a great piece of gear and for dedicated hunters - a real advantage. Most cops, though, don't own a silencer and might just have the popular view that there's something a bit sinister about folks who employ them on handguns.... No it's not the way things should be but remember every little aspect of a shooting will come under investigation (not just the shooting incident but quite a bit of background info as well -particularly as it speaks to motive (most will never fire their weapon at a person - those that do will have real cause to worry if it involves a family member or someone you knew....).

As for me - if I ever need and use a weapon again, I want to be an ordinary homeowner using an ordinary weapon....
 
In that one heart stopping moment, with a possible intruder in your house - all of us will use whatever we have available to defend our families... Not many will take the time to add all the possible extra gear that we can think about in advance.... There's a very big difference being able to consider alternatives in a peaceful environment when you're not in the moment, under stress, and fearing for the safety of loved ones. Pray you never find yourself in that moment....
 
That comment strikes me as a bit ... odd. You must be referring to something, some aspect, that I do not understand.

I have a set of Peltors by the bed. With those on I can instantly possess sooooooper-hearing. :)
Yeah ... Whenever people make comments like that I instantly know they’ve never shot with them on even once.

For people who aren’t familiar with them, they actually boost hearing in terms of regular hearing safe sound (conversations, shouting, glass breaking, vehicles, dogs barking etc).

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-shooting-ear-protection/

In regards to suppressors I’d use one for home defense, but since they’re such a pain to get I can see why most people don’t. Plus for the uninformed I can see that being an issue if the case goes to court. Since that would likely happen after they gained forcible entry that’s extremely unlikely in some states, but I guess it’s a possibility.
 
One of the PIRs in my basement developed a "I am going to trigger in the middle of the night just because I can" syndrome. After the second time in a several years I replaced that sensor.

For me, the value in that was actually being suddenly awakened out of a sound sleep to my alarm system having a party. It was extremely disconcerting, but a great learning experience.

The core lights were on & flashing (bedroom are off the core, down a hallway in the dark), the 10 exterior floodlights were on & flashing and the sirens all over the house were screaming, etc.

Wonderful!

I quickly (but not smoothly) put on my glasses, checked the night master alarm annunciator by the bed and determine the triggered sensor location (basement, bowling alley, center). I put on the Peltors, adjusted the gain, picked up my pistol, keyed off the sirens and ... listened. Nothing. I quietly opened the bedroom door and positioned in the doorway, facing down the hallway toward the lighted core and ... listened. I patiently followed this pattern until I had cleared the house.

For this purpose, I found the Peltors to be much better than I expected. :)

The 2nd time that sensor tripped, my response was much smoother, much more satisfactory.

BTW, with my Peltor-enhanced super-hearing, if I had heard anything that suggested to me that there was actually an intruder (I live alone) , I would probably (circumstance determined) have followed my Plan A which is to sit on the floor in my bedroom doorway in the dark with my back against the doorframe, facing the core lights down the hallway, call 911 (and my cousin who lives down the ridge from me) and settle in to await the arrival of the sheriff deputies.

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EDIT: If I could acquire a can for a total cost of only a few hundred dollars, I would (in_a_heartbeat!) and it would be on my bedside pistol. ;)
 
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.....Remember that you're going to lose whatever weapon you employ (maybe not forever but long enough that you're going to need a replacement....) so that might just enter the equation... Now for the side of things that most don't consider. A silencer is a great piece of gear and for dedicated hunters - a real advantage. Most cops, though, don't own a silencer and might just have the popular view that there's something a bit sinister about folks who employ them on handguns.... No it's not the way things should be but remember every little aspect of a shooting will come under investigation (not just the shooting incident but quite a bit of background info as well -particularly as it speaks to motive.....


Yeah, yeah…but it’s a good shoot…nothing to worry about. Surprised that hasn’t been posted yet.

If it goes to court and I think it would JUST because the suppressor was involved, your chances of going to jail have just doubled if not more. Don’t believe me, search here for stuff you’ve heard in a gun store and report back…”this here 44 mag, you can kill a man by hitting him in his pinky toe”…”you don’t want that 9mm, you’d probably run out of bullets before you could kill the guy”…”this here 22mag will shoot through 15 layers of Kevlar, because the bullet is so small and flying at light speed it just passes through, but once it hit flesh it explodes like a grenade”. These comments generally come from the people that should know better. Remember also, you will be judged by 12 people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I don’t know everything about guns, but I know a crap ton more the majority of the general population and I have NO DESIRE to have them judge me for a crime. Lastly and this amazes me, some here would never, never think about using reloaded ammo for self-defense for the obvious reasons, but for some reason will screw on a suppressor thinking it will be ok…the general public would never think “only an assassin would use a suppressor”
 
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