Handgun vs. Coyote/Bobcat

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Yep, some people adapt more readily. I transplanted from the city also. Animals make me happy.

I agree, grew up in a city. Moved in the woods when i was 19. I will never go back to the city. I trust wild animals more then i trust people. I have been around alot of animals in my life. Some i had to dispatch, most i just watched. You can tell when a animals is going to hurt you or try to hurt you. People, not so much.
 
There are a few mexican grey wolves in arizona. This was posted by a fellow in Arizona that is a member of my FB group Old White English Preservation Society. One picture is of his bulldog(From old texas family line of bulldogs) chasing what turned out to be a rare mexican grey wolf. On a later date mick killed that wolf. Wildlife biologists said it was the alpha of a small pack they had been observing. Second picture is a cub from that pack being cared for by his daughter until she could be sent to a proper facility for care and release. Arizona also has a few jaguar now days.

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Notice how small the Mexican Grey Wolf is in relation to a domestic dog, much smaller than its Northern and Eastern relatives.

The few Jaguars in AZ are down by Tucson (so far). Lots more Mountain Lions. You don't really see either, unless they want you to, I think.
 
I have not shot a coyote with a 9. My suggestion for 147jhp is just and opinion on what I think would work best. Heavy for caliber on a small auto round is my go to choice.

Where I hunt in MID MAINE I have personally seen a coyote/wolf mix or coydog where the animal must have been 70 plus pounds. It looked like an adult German Shepard mixed with a coyote. More than anything it was curious and kept popping out of the woodline and running along side us while we were on 4 wheelers. I did look mangy. I later read a newspaper article of wolves being studied in the area. It was the first and only animal I have ever seen that looked like that (wild but similar to German Shepard more of a dog face than coyote)

I have shot coyote in maine which I would guess was closer to 50lbs (heavier than my 40lb brittany spaniel) The coyotes here in southern New England I've had experience with are under 40 lbs (not as large as the aforementioned pet)
 
I have not shot a coyote with a 9. My suggestion for 147jhp is just and opinion on what I think would work best. Heavy for caliber on a small auto round is my go to choice.

Where I hunt in MID MAINE I have personally seen a coyote/wolf mix or coydog where the animal must have been 70 plus pounds. It looked like an adult German Shepard mixed with a coyote. More than anything it was curious and kept popping out of the woodline and running along side us while we were on 4 wheelers. I did look mangy. I later read a newspaper article of wolves being studied in the area. It was the first and only animal I have ever seen that looked like that (wild but similar to German Shepard more of a dog face than coyote)

I have shot coyote in maine which I would guess was closer to 50lbs (heavier than my 40lb brittany spaniel) The coyotes here in southern New England I've had experience with are under 40 lbs (not as large as the aforementioned pet)

we must be seeing the same hybrid. Im in limerick and there some massive ones around here
 
IIRC there was an article in the American Rifleman about Col. Brophy's 50 BMG sniper rifle in Korea??

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Colonel William S. Brophy & Sniping In The Korean War
June 29, 2018 by Shawn


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As the Korea war rages in 1952 and A captain in IX Corps Ordnance and veteran of infantry combat during WW2 in the Pacific , William S. Brophy recognized a total lack of US Army sniping equipment and marksmanship compared to its current and future needs. In an effort to reverse some of this and educated units in the field he visited several units to discus with and educate the on sniping equipment and tactics.

At this time the Army had the scoped m1 rifle as their standard sniping rifle. This system limited the sniper to a range not much greater than 600 yards. To demonstrate what a skilled marksman with proper equipment could do and to hopefully get the Army to pay serious attention, Captain Brophy bought at his own cost a Winchester Model 70 “Bull gun” in ,30-06 and Unertl 10X target optic. The Winchester rifle listed as the “bull gun” was a target gun with heavy target stock and 28 inch heavy barrel.

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Brophy using his rifle and skill developed during a career in competitive shooting was able to register several Chinese communist kills. The reaction to his ability was quick and people began to take note. However it was still the usual position of the Army that the weapon was not durable enough for combat use. Brophy and the selected men who used the rifle to demonstrate what it could do and endure did finally get the Army to seriously consider the Model 70 as a sniping arm.

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Ultimately it was decided that it was not desirable to inject a special rifle into the supply system with a requirement for match ammo for it. Oddly enough over the coming years in Vietnam match ammo which was earlier labeled too hard to supply to troops in the field was readily available to snipers so much so that not one ever said that concern for having enough match ammo never crossed their minds.

The Model 70 was not the only effort then Captain Brophy put forth to improve US Army sniper ability. While out sniping with the Model 70, targets appeared beyond the range of even the match .30cal sniper rifle . To remedy this Brophy had the barrel of a Browning .50cal aircraft model machine gun mounted to a Soviet PTRD 14.5mm antitank rifle. A butt pad and bipod were also added as well as a 20x Unertl optic.

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With this set up, Brophy and his team was able to make several Communists into good communists. Hits with the 50 were recorded at ranges from 1,000 yards to 2,000.

This rifle went on to inspire several other of its types with different barrel and scope combinations. This attempt at a longer range sniping arm no doubt was one of the predecessors to today’s Barrett M82. Below Brophy demonstrates one of the 50 cal rifles in Korea to higher officers.

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The concept of the 50 caliber sniping rifle was further developed by the AMTU and Col. F.B Conway. Later attempts used optics such as the ART scope system and even a Boys Antitank rifle.

And of course one of the more more famous early 50 cal sniping systems.

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In these early attempts , accuracy of the ammo was the main problem holding back the weapons. Standard service ammo was the only thing available for use at the time.

Colonel Brophy passed away in 1991 and left behind an amazing record of accomplishment as a shooter, an Army officer who served in WW2, Korea and Vietnam and writer of many definitive books on US small arms.

http://looserounds.com/tag/50-bmg/

Regards,
hps

I'm hunting 175 miles North of you, near Lincoln


guess that means there are more than one of them! :D
 
Notice how small the Mexican Grey Wolf is in relation to a domestic dog, much smaller than its Northern and Eastern relatives.

The few Jaguars in AZ are down by Tucson (so far). Lots more Mountain Lions. You don't really see either, unless they want you to, I think.
That dog that was chasing the mexican grey wolf is plus 100 lbs. Years ago I remember seeing mexican grey wolves in a zoo and they were in the 55-65 lbs range mostly. At first that wolf was thought to be a coyote-wolf hybrid. I assume the smaller size is related to the available prey and also the competition with cougar and jaguar may play a role in the size of the prey animals hunted by the mex grey wolf.
 
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It seems the mountain lions, coyotes, deer and bobcats are smaller out here in the desert, compared to those you find in more temperate parts of he country, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Mexican Grey Wolves were smaller as well.
 
I did a tour at the Fort Irwin range in the Mohave desert. We were warned about the coyotes. They would sneak into the open sleeping areas and steal MREs right out of your pack.

They were tiny things. Maybe 25 lbs. Smallest coyotes I've seen. Smart as heck, though.
 
I did a tour at the Fort Irwin range in the Mohave desert. We were warned about the coyotes. They would sneak into the open sleeping areas and steal MREs right out of your pack.

They were tiny things. Maybe 25 lbs. Smallest coyotes I've seen. Smart as heck, though.
My neighbor is a retired marine and once while training some troops in the former Subic Bay base in the Philippines they sent one privates off to go through the woods to a local McDonalds and get burgers and fries for the guys. On the way back he was robbed by a band of monkeys. The male showed his teeth which by the way can be very large and made it clear that they wanted the food. He gave them food lol.
 
When I smoked I did not do it in the house. I learned to enjoy setting on the front porch. I’ve long since quit smoking but am usually found on the porch.
A few years ago I caught a glimpse of an animal I’d not seen before as it ran across the lot next to our house. It was about the size of a mid sized German Shepard, low to the ground, dark brown in color with a somewhat slender tail almost as long as it’s body. After diagnosing all of the clues I have determined it was a cougar, puma or mountain lion, whichever of those creatures that are found in Missouri.
 
When I smoked I did not do it in the house. I learned to enjoy setting on the front porch. I’ve long since quit smoking but am usually found on the porch.
A few years ago I caught a glimpse of an animal I’d not seen before as it ran across the lot next to our house. It was about the size of a mid sized German Shepard, low to the ground, dark brown in color with a somewhat slender tail almost as long as it’s body. After diagnosing all of the clues I have determined it was a cougar, puma or mountain lion, whichever of those creatures that are found in Missouri.
Cougars, pumas, and mountain lions are all the same species. Only the Florida panther is seen as a different subspecies as far as I know. They are rare. The tail description is spot on.
 
When I smoked I did not do it in the house. I learned to enjoy setting on the front porch. I’ve long since quit smoking but am usually found on the porch.
A few years ago I caught a glimpse of an animal I’d not seen before as it ran across the lot next to our house. It was about the size of a mid sized German Shepard, low to the ground, dark brown in color with a somewhat slender tail almost as long as it’s body. After diagnosing all of the clues I have determined it was a cougar, puma or mountain lion, whichever of those creatures that are found in Missouri.

When I lived in Iowa, I had a friend who lived a few miles out of town. He called me one night and said he just had a crazy experience. His dogs were barking outside and going nuts. So he went out with a flashlight and they had a cougar treed about 15 yards from the house in a large oak tree. He asked me what to do and I told him to call DNR. So he called DNR and they said there were no cougars in Iowa. He replied that his dogs have one treed right outside his house at that very moment and he had taken several pictures of it.

They hung up on him. He called me back and I told him to get the dogs back in the house and it would leave, which he did, and it did.

The complete incompetence and idiocy of government agencies never ceases to amaze me.
 
When I lived in Iowa, I had a friend who lived a few miles out of town. He called me one night and said he just had a crazy experience. His dogs were barking outside and going nuts. So he went out with a flashlight and they had a cougar treed about 15 yards from the house in a large oak tree. He asked me what to do and I told him to call DNR. So he called DNR and they said there were no cougars in Iowa. He replied that his dogs have one treed right outside his house at that very moment and he had taken several pictures of it.

They hung up on him. He called me back and I told him to get the dogs back in the house and it would leave, which he did, and it did.

The complete incompetence and idiocy of government agencies never ceases to amaze me.
He could of said on the phone if it does not exist i can shoot it right!?!
 
I'm a professional forester and spent the first 12 years of my career working alone in the woods several days a week.
Well that explains a lot.
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However, the original question was about 9mm being adequate for bobcats and coyotes, and the answer is yes. With a good bullet it's more than adequate.
Agreed. .380, 9mm, .38 Spl, etc. We're not talking about a Griz or a Kodiak...
I was actually charged by a fox in my driveway one night after walking home from the bar. It got within 8 feet of me. It ran off when I burst out laughing at its show of force. Back arched, hair bristled, sideways bounding motion to make it seem bigger...……. Pretty cute and funny to watch. It got an A for effort.
OMG! I'd love to see a video of that. My cat (12 lbs) does sometimes to my dog (83 lbs) and he just looks at the cat as if to say "What's up with you?"
 
was actually charged by a fox in my driveway one night after walking home from the bar. It got within 8 feet of me. It ran off when I burst out laughing at its show of force. Back arched, hair bristled, sideways bounding motion to make it seem bigger...……. Pretty cute and funny to watch. It got an A for effort.


OMG! I'd love to see a video of that. My cat (12 lbs) does sometimes to my dog (83 lbs) and he just looks at the cat as if to say "What's up with you?
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It may have had young near by. I have seen them go up and act injured trying lure me away.
 
It may have had young near by. I have seen them go up and act injured trying lure me away.
Certainly possible. We surprised each other. It came crashing out of the tall grass on the cut bank on one side and realize I was there once it hit the gravel. Whoops!

Wouldn’t have been cute if it clamped down on my ankle.
 
I wonder how the former urban dwellers that have moved to rural areas will react to the return of these predators?

In 2016 I had to move my Mom from NE PA to come live with me due to numerous medical issues. While going through the various doctors and lab work needed before she could leave, I ran into many former city folk now living in the Poconos who were shocked that coyote and bears were roaming through apartment complexes and towns.

I wonder how long it will be before these people start demanding all the dangerous wildlife be removed

We have coyote and bear here. Regularly. Urban area. Gated. The coyote eat our small dogs and the bear eat our garbage and love to laze around in our pools. We have confiscated their habitat and it is a sad situation, really. We've an ever-growing problem with green Iguanas. They get shockingly big for a lizard. Eight or nine pounds of muscle, grown. They get pretty close and are some nasty looking. They swim faster than any reptile I've seen. Mostly underwater. Their only protection, as far as I know, lies within our anti-cruelty law. Conservancy python hunters find the largest breeding groups still south of us but they are coming. We are encouraged to kill pythons on private land and paid (during specific periods) to kill them on public lands. Preferred kill method is through the brain.
 
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