Glock who?

tercel89 said:

Love or hate Glocks , but the ease of complete disassembly and reassembly is a marvel of engineering compared to almost all others. I grew up in the age of metal guns and even I adore the Glock 17 .

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^^^this right here. Gaston is a genius, and the mechanics of the design are amazing. I hope they eventually fix the ergonomic problems for me. I still own a bunch of Glocks. But I think “If only they would xxxxx” a lot.

Wanderling said:

You would be wrong, I picked Glock as my first ever handgun precisely - in part - because it pointed more naturally for me when I tried it in store vs other guns they had in the same price range.

I had no experience shooting handguns at that point and went with what felt better in my hand (well, Glock’s reputation for being a very reliable easy to maintain gun was a big factor too).


No one in this thread seems to have mentioned that Glock grip angle is similar to Luger which the THR community is perpetually salivating over.

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I did say "most" people. When you factor in that Glock is no longer the main reliable firearm of it's kind on the market, it's more expensive by as much as $200 than other comparable firearms on the market, and a lot of the other cons and shortcomings others have mentioned, IMHO, I don't see Glocks being anywhere near as popular as they are now hypothetically speaking.

Styx said:

it's more expensive by as much as $200 than other comparable firearms on the market,

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Which current generation competition are you referencing? Sig 320? M&P 2.0? XDM? Walther PPQ? HK VP9?

Because they all compare pretty close to the Gen 5 basic Glock.

1KPerDay said:

^^^this right here. Gaston is a genius, and the mechanics of the design are amazing. I hope they eventually fix the ergonomic problems for me. I still own a bunch of Glocks. But I think “If only they would xxxxx” a lot.

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Yes, I like that they're less involved to completely break down than a their competitors, but how often are people in general completely breaking down their handguns Glocks included? You're saving a few minutes once in a blue moon? I now some people do it often, but that's seems to be more of the exception than the rule... Plus, most others don't require a gunsmith to break down either. Maybe just a few extra minutes and one or two tools.

I'll admit ease of breakdown is still a plus. Their aftermarket support is comparable to none. It's also pretty simple to change out the sites compared to some others. Even the older generations along with the newer ones seem to hold their value pretty well. Replacement parts are plentiful. These are all reasons why I wanted to like them. If they were priced more competitively came and came out with a more ergonomic grip, I might change my mind about them. Once I get into the $500-$600+ market, I'm thinking metal frame CZs, Sigs, 1911s, etc over polymer pistols hands down.

JR24 said:

Which current generation competition are you referencing? Sig 320? M&P 2.0? XDM? Walther PPQ? HK VP9?

Because they all compare pretty close to the Gen 5 basic Glock.

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Caniks, M&P 2.0s, XD/XD Mod 2/ XDM ,Ruger American Pistols, Beretta APX, CZ P10 Compacts, and more can be had form $300-$400+/- from multiple venders. Not only that, they all routinely have rebates that'll offer extra goodies or will bring the price below the $300 mark.

I don't own and haven't followed the prices on the Sig P320, Walther PPQ, or HKs, but I do know they are generally priced in the same area as Glocks.

Ruger American 8637 (10 rd 9mm compact) is $447 on Bud's.

Glock 26 (10 rd 9mm subcompact) is $499.

That's roughly what, 10% price difference ?

Glocks are neither cheap nor expensive, they are fairly reasonably priced given their brand performance.

Wanderling said:

Ruger American 8637 (10 rd 9mm compact) is $447 on Bud's.

Glock 26 (10 rd 9mm subcompact) is $499.

That's roughly what, 10% price difference ?

Glocks are neither cheap nor expensive, they are fairly reasonably priced given their brand performance.

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Buds almost NEVER has the lowest price on the web. I go by Gun.Deals pricing which had the specific model you mentioned for as low as $300 just a couple of months ago to under $400 now. Glocks are generally priced the same regardless of the retailer, but the brands I meantioned can generally be found online from multiple retailers for $100-$200 less than Glocks civilian pricing.

For example, GunPrime has the RAP Compact for $367.97....

Styx said:

Buds almost NEVER has the longest price on the web. I go by Gun.Deals pricing which had the specific model you mentioned for as long as $300 just a couple of months ago to under $400 now.

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That's fair. I support my LGS with purchases and they have all of those, except the Canik roughly within $50-100 of each other.

I get a bit nervous tossing down gun money on some random site on the web, heard some horror stories.

JR24 said:

That's fair. I support my LGS with purchases and they have all of those, except the Canik roughly within $50-100 of each other.

I get a bit nervous tossing down gun money on some random site on the web, heard some horror stories.

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The deals are usually from the same group of online sites. If anyone had a problem in the past, you'll usually will read about it in the comment section.

As to buying from LGS, with the new SCOTUS ruling that allows states to collect taxes on out of state mail-order sales plus the transfer fees, I might have to follow your lead pretty soon... With LGS charging $50-$100 over head fees on handguns plus tax on top of that, I could not bring myself to basically donate that much money on my budget.

Styx said:

The deals are usually from the same group of online sites. If anyone had a problem in the past, you'll usually will read about it in the comment section.

As to buying from LGS, with the new SCOTUS ruling that allows states to collect taxes on out of state mail-order sales plus the transfer fees, I might have to follow your lead pretty soon... With LGS charging $50-$100 over head fees on handguns plus tax on top of that, I could not bring myself to basically donate that much money on my budget.

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Completely understand.

I also have reached the point with my collection (and my wife) where a new gun means an unused gun has gotta go and one of my local shops gives very good trade in value with competitive pricing on some brands, so I like to use them.

I hope this doesn't derail the thread... But speaking in regards to the prices of various polymer pistols, does any other manufacturer offer special LE or club membership pricing?

Glock has the Blue Label program in which members of the Military and Law Enforcement can purchase new Glocks at much reduced prices.

I can buy a brand new G19 Gen 5 for for $425.

And even if you aren't a member of the military or LEO, then you can join GSSF and get a certificate for a Blue Label pistol.

I'm not aware of any other manufacturer that offers such a discount, though I am sure there are some.

Trey Veston said:

I hope this doesn't derail the thread... But speaking in regards to the prices of various polymer pistols, does any other manufacturer offer special LE or club membership pricing?

Glock has the Blue Label program in which members of the Military and Law Enforcement can purchase new Glocks at much reduced prices.

I can buy a brand new G19 Gen 5 for for $425.

And even if you aren't a member of the military or LEO, then you can join GSSF and get a certificate for a Blue Label pistol.

I'm not aware of any other manufacturer that offers such a discount, though I am sure there are some.

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S&W offers $30 off revolvers, and $40 off of pistols, $50 off of M&P rifles, and $75 off their other rifle to military, LE, first responders, etc... FN also offers a discounts. Think Sig does too. I'm not sure about others as I've never looked.

In all honesty before I bought my M&P 2.0 Compact I wanted a G-23. I knew I could get a LEO trade in G-23 for around $350. I looked around online, read reviews & started looking at the M&P 2.0 guns. Pretty much basically I came to the conclusion that the M&P would do roughly anything the Glock would do. I bought it new for the same price as a LEO trade in Glock. I got my wife a Ruger American Pistol full sized 9mm a couple of years ago. It is not as slim or light as a Glock but it works & works well. I support a woman that doesn't work & 3 kids. Price is a factor for me. I have shot a few Glocks & like them fine but if I can get something that serves the same purpose & works well for $200 less it is hard for me to pay the premium just to have the name.

If buying I usually dig around & find the best deal I can online & factor in any shipping costs & transfer fee to decide whether to buy online or local. I have saved anywhere from $50 to $165 dollars by buying online. I have never had an issue but before buying you can read reviews, online feedback about sellers. If someone is okay with a deal they might not comment but if someone is angry they most likely will. Price is a always a factor for me.

Edited to Add: If I have a gun I don't want any longer I put the word out at work that I have something I want to sell. It usually doesn't take long to move them.

Sorry

Glocks are not for me. The amount of money I would have to dump into a Glock to make it "for me" I could have a nice 1911. And I would rather have the 1911 anyway.

Mike J said:

If buying I usually dig around & find the best deal I can online & factor in any shipping costs & transfer fee to decide whether to buy online or local. I have saved anywhere from $50 to $165 dollars by buying online. I have never had an issue but before buying you can read reviews, online feedback about sellers. If someone is okay with a deal they might not comment but if someone is angry they most likely will. Price is a always a factor for me.

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In principle I totally agree. But I spend so much of my time at work and doing the things in life you just gotta do, that I have to minimize the time I spend fussing around for that “best deal”. So, if they have what I want, I just order it from Buds and pick it up at my ffl guy a few days later. It’s not the best deal, but its fast and easy. I guess I would rather spend my free time playing not shopping.

herrwalther said:

Glocks are not for me. The amount of money I would have to dump into a Glock to make it "for me" I could have a nice 1911. And I would rather have the 1911 anyway.

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I respect that you would rather have a 1911. They are great guns, for sure.

Funny thing, the big expense, for me, with buying a new pistol is sights. Whether I buy a Glock or a 1911, its going to need good sights. The sights that I like and can see (my eyes suck) are expensive. The thing is, its easier to change out Glock sights over 1911 sights. Not a huge difference, but easier for sure.

The other thing I pretty much always do is set the triggers up the way I like them. Again, easier with the Glock. But possibly cheaper with the 1911 if only stoning is required and I don’t need to change out parts. Plus one for old “slab sides”.

GunnyUSMC said:

A Glock trigger is easy to clean up. It won’t be a target trigger, but who wants a target trigger on a carry gun.
I get to shoot many guns and can tell you that there a lot of guns with triggers worst then Glock.
The Beretta Nanos that I have fired, approximately eight of them, have not impressed me. Number one is they point down for me.
Now I do like my Beretta APX. It has a pretty good trigger.
Not all guns are the same, just as not all people are the same. We all find what fits us the best.

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Worst triggers than a Glock? Lol again that is subjective. The Nano Trigger and the Kahrs are almost identical and many people love the DAO. And they are both Striker fired DAO. Now I can understand the fact that a person prefers a light striker fired pistol and others prefer something else. But to say one is worst is a very personal, subjective statement. What is worst to one person is not to the others. Now if you do not like the high bore axis of the Nano then you say you like the APX and the Trigger. The Nano is now a APX with the same trigger and NOW with a low bore axis. Yes, I get to shoot a lot of guns as well and took a very long time to find the right fit, the right trigger etc. Shot a whole lot of guns along the way. So, I now have a APX grip on one of the Nano's and spending a whole lot of rounds shooting both to see which one I really shoot the best. Well over 400 rds now through both style grips.
Ok, you say you like the APX trigger. I think you meant the other APX like the Compact or Centurion. They have a standard Striker fired trigger. They are larger guns which I know you like as opposed to small guns.

I just bought a second Kahr CM 9. Again I love the Striker fired DAO. Actually traded in a Ruger LC9S because the Striker Fired Trigger was just too darn light. I refused to carry it any longer. Made a great trade. Now, I do not bash the Glock trigger. I actually have no problem with it and if the gun fit, would not care to put a after maker trigger on one.
My LC9S trigger was down to 4Lbs of pull or less and even contacted Ruger and had it sent in to try and at least get it up to 5 lbs of pull. They sent it back and said there was nothing they could do. YET, there are some folks that would Love the LC9S trigger I traded. Man a super light Trigger with very little take up and Bang. Just what the Doctor ordered.

Triggers are subjective. Grips are subjective, bore axis are subjective
. The Glock is a great, fantastic gun. You like large guns, I like small. You like light triggers I like Dao. My Problem is shown below for the reason I do not like Glocks. I get a Blister on my finger from the trigger guard. What do I not like about the new APX? The Trigger Guard. I think the squared look and the Glock safety on both the Glock and the APX are useless.. And I do not understand why Beretta went this direction. But each to his own.Kahr/Nano'Carry IMO has the best of all the triggers. Khar wins because the of trigger guard design and lack of Glock safety. Again just my humble opinion and MY preference.

How about we become thankful that in this great Country we can all choose what is best for ourselves. Maybe you have a dog that you love and think someone else's is worst. I love my Dog and think she is the Best.God Bless
America and this great Country for Freedom of Choice.

After shooting a Glock with 200 rds. Nothing wrong with the Gun, nor the trigger. Just not a good fit for me.
**And note, some folks like lighter Striker fired triggers on Service guns, but not Small Pocket guns or Micro 9mm's,

It's always been my opinion that GLOCK is adequate pistol built around an outstanding magazine.

My primary reason for not choosing them is the lack of a safety ( I don't think that a mechanism that doesn't allow the trigger to be pulled unless the trigger is pulled really counts ).

Ramone said:

It's always been my opinion that GLOCK is adequate pistol built around an outstanding magazine.

My primary reason for not choosing them is the lack of a safety ( I don't think that a mechanism that doesn't allow the trigger to be pulled unless the trigger is pulled really counts ).

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I think the Old Term "Glock Leg" is becoming out of circulation as there are many Light Striker fired triggers becoming so popular. Seems the lighter the better and the shortest reset possible. I see even what I consider light triggers being sent in for after market work to make even lighter. I wonder how far they will go? I think even small carry guns will get down to 3 or 4 lbs before long.

I gave my glocks to my son. I really tried to like them. I just didn't enjoy shooting them and couldn't shoot them as well as my m&p's.

He shoots them well and enjoys them.

to each their own. they are fine pistols. just not for me.

DukeConnor said:

I gave my glocks to my son. I really tried to lije them. I just didn't enjoy shooting them and couldn't shoot them as well as my m&p's.

He shoots them well and enjoys them.

to each their own. they are fine pustols. just not for me.

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My son just came home from the Army. I gave him a new Nano and included the APX grip. He might not even like the gun. I told him spend some time with it, try out both grips and if he wants to trade for another gun then by all means do so. I want him to have what is best for him, and what fits his Hand, not mine.

rskent said:

In principle I totally agree. But I spend so much of my time at work and doing the things in life you just gotta do, that I have to minimize the time I spend fussing around for that “best deal”. So, if they have what I want, I just order it from Buds and pick it up at my ffl guy a few days later. It’s not the best deal, but its fast and easy. I guess I would rather spend my free time playing not shopping.

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It's as quick, simple, and as easy as typing in a url to one of the websites that does all the hard work by cataloging all the best deals online, typing in the model you're looking for, going to one of the vendors with the best deal, and placing an order. Takes an extra couple of minutes to save hard earned money. The way you described it sounds like he/we are getting into a car and spending hours driving store to store.

I think of it this way. The amount of money I spend is equal to the amount of time out of my life I spent at work. $50 might equal one or two hours I spent at work away from my family. So if I can spend an extra 5 minutes to save $50, I kept 55 to 1 hour and 55 minutes of my life in my pocket... That's extra time I might not have to spend at work to make that money back. It seem stupid, but that's how I look at it. Not to mention if you're on a tight budget and trying to raise a family. You have no other option and trying to save money is the responsible thing to do.

Why is Glock not matching the competition?

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Because Gaston does not care what you think.

Bwana John said:

Because Gaston does not care what you think.

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Only what his wallet thinks. Just joking. Glock makes a great gun. Why try a keep up with any guns that might not even be here in a few years?