Shopping list (WA state ban coming)

Lower receivers aren't semi-automatic. Only the upper is. There are bolt action uppers you can mount on a lower.

Buy Glock factory magazines. They have the steel liner and are more durable. I have a Glock 19 and two Ruger PC9s. I use a G19 15 rd mag when I carry my G19 and a 17 rd mag in my mag carrier. I have a dozen 15 rd and a dozen 17 rd magazines and four 33 rd mags. I can use any of them in my Ruger carbines. I have dozens of AK and AR mags.

My advice - buy magazines even of you can only afford a few. Keep the receipt so you can prove you owned high-capacity mags before the ban. Doesn't matter if the receipt is just for a couple mags and you own dozens - you still have proof of pre-ban ownership.

Good luck!

Shawn Dodson said:

Lower receivers aren't semi-automatic. Only the upper is. There are bolt action uppers you can mount on a lower.

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The Antis have learned about lowers, apparently, and uppers. They are going after everything.

Martin248 said:

b) A semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than thirty inches; or
c) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

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Jammersix said:

If that were actually true, this would be easy.

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I'd expect that one who disagrees with Bush Pilot's comment regarding our AG and governor is making a statement about which side of the political spectrum one falls on … then there is that little portion in the sig line about being proud to live in a sanctuary city (ask any Seattle cop how that's working out) as well, so the only question remaining is, what else does Jammersix side with Inslee and Ferguson on?

Actually, I say what I mean. If I were making a statement, you'd be able to simply sit down and read it. In English.

Underestimating an adversary is for amateurs, and both the AG and the Governor have lists of accomplishments that no moron could hope to accomplish.

Where I volunteer, (Casa Latina, an organization to help new immigrants https://casa-latina.org) our sanctuary status is working out quite well. I can see why a conservative would want to ask cops about immigration, we never see them at Casa Latina. We never need law enforcement. So you'd get answers skewed way, way to the right. And skewed is bad, unless you're looking for something to read without removing your blinders.

I'm simply not a single issue voter. I can't afford to be. None of our politicians are simple, none of Seattle's politics are easy. So you'll have to ask a far more specific question than what else do I agree with the Governor and the AG on.

P.S. No one is hiding anything from you. If you have a real question, man up and ask.

The fact is, AG Ferguson is a major driver of the current gun-control efforts in this state. Agreeing with him -- on anything -- and supporting him (and Inslee) is knowingly lending your support to the present massive anti-gun legislation here, that which has already occurred, and the future planned legislation.

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If you have a real question, man up and ask.

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Ah, the ol' "man up" challenge. I have no further questions, real or otherwise, for you. Your true colors shine brightly through ….

Jammersix said:

Where I volunteer, (Casa Latina, an organization to help new immigrants

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So I take it you help no illegal immigrants then ? If that is the case there is no reason for sanctuary status.

Old Dog said:

The fact is, AG Ferguson is a major driver of the current gun-control efforts in this state. Agreeing with him -- on anything -- and supporting him (and Inslee) is knowingly lending your support to the present massive anti-gun legislation here, that which has already occurred, and the future planned legislation.

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Yup. And the question is whether other issues are worth that sacrifice. As it is to any voter. Single issue voters are fools in my book.

That said, I haven't indicated support for anyone. That's you reading what you were looking for rather than what I wrote. Congratulations. You're average.

My statement was that neither of those folks are morons, and I would go on to say that neither of them are anything other than intelligent, experienced, dangerous opponents.

2bfree said:

So I take it you help no illegal immigrants then ?

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Take what you wish, but realize that it's your assumption, not my words.

Well,I would say you are the one leaving off the word illegal, you are the one with blinders on, not us.

Jammersix said:

Take what you wish, but realize that it's your assumption, not my words.

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There is no middle road anymore.

Lower taxes = more money in your pocket = freedom.

Strong 2A = ability to defend yourself = freedom

Strong border = more secure country = freedom

Strong military = more secure country = freedom


One side is for all of the above. One side is against all of the above. Very simple

Hartkopf said:

One side is for all of the above. One side is against all of the above. Very simple

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While the knee jerk reaction is to agree, I’m not sure it’s that simple. Conservatives tend to vote lockstep with your position

One time I was talking with a well established political type. We were discussing strategy, and the importance of yard signs. He commented that they usually get about 2% of the votes. I kinda scoffed, commenting that 2% wasn’t much. He replied that those 2% were gonna vote anyway, and +2% for you was -2% for them if you could get that vote. And a 4% swing is a landslide in politics.

We already have that support of the people on our side. We need to swing that 2%. And, not all their values align with all of ours ours. They may be socially liberal but still support 2A.

This past spring we had a couple local races decided by less than a dozen votes. Best not to write off or alienate anyone

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Best not to write off or alienate anyone

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Agreed but I haven’t found a person in the last three years who is on the fence.

I try to personally educate people near me about the value of our freedom and the right to defend ourselves. Especially people who are conservative but haven’t voted once in their lives. They need to understand what’s at stake and how the other side is unified. We have to vote. Also we must take time to educate our own children and family. We can’t let them be indoctrinated and it happens earlier now than ever. If your 12 year old has a cell phone, there are people trying to sway them already.

I will always be civil and understanding to non conservatives but most everyone has completely taken a side. And nobody changes their mind on the internet. Face to face I’ve convinced several people how important their vote is. Online, everybody doubles down on their current position so usually I don’t argue. Much. Face to face is the only way to reach a person I believe.

My wife is a hard core, ACLU card carrying, bona fide Ivory Tower Princeton educated PhD liberal. She likes the term "Moonbat" so much she started a character in WoW so she could name her Moonbat.

We've been married 26 years. Around here, you respect your opponent and you learn to listen and compromise or you sleep on the couch.

In all that time, I've never said a word to her about guns or shooter politics that wasn't a direct answer to a direct question. And when I didn't know the answer, I damn well told her I didn't know, but that I could find out.

All I ever did was shoot, clean guns and do my best to set an example. And I made certain any information I gave her was bulletproof fact or clearly labeled as opinion.

About fifteen years ago she said "if all gun owners were like you and Pete, I wouldn't have a problem with guns."

About ten years ago, I bought a Ruger Mk IV to use teaching. Of course, it's her favorite gun to shoot.

And about five years ago, she said "Let me be clear. When I want to be a hard core, leftly-liberal anti, (your word, not mine, dear husband) the Ruger is yours. When I want to be a gun owner, the Ruger is mine. When the Ruger is mine, you may borrow it to teach your classes. I hope this clears up any questions you have."

Yes, I know how to sway antis to our side. It takes a lot more than 99% of folks are willing to put out.

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

Hartkopf said:

Lower taxes = more money in your pocket = freedom.

Strong 2A = ability to defend yourself = freedom

Strong border = more secure country = freedom

Strong military = more secure country = freedom

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It is hardly so black and white.

When lower taxes are provided by skyrocketing national debt, we are less secure and free.

When lax firearms laws, or lax enforcement thereof, put guns in in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, we are less secure and free.

Immigration laws should be enforced, but if enforced selectively on the basis of race or religion, we are less secure and free.

Did the strong German military of early WWII make the German Jews more free, or did the strong Soviet military of the Cold War era make Soviet citizens more free?. Does placating Russia, dividing NATO, undermining military justice, or withholding military aid from an ally under attack make us more free?

We look for simple answers, but reality is complex.

Chaparral said:

It is hardly so black and white.

When lower taxes are provided by skyrocketing national debt, we are less secure and free.

When lax firearms laws, or lax enforcement thereof, put guns in in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, we are less secure and free.

Immigration laws should be enforced, but if enforced selectively on the basis of race or religion, we are less secure and free.

Did the strong German military of early WWII make the German Jews more free, or did the strong Soviet military of the Cold War era make Soviet citizens more free?. Does placating Russia, dividing NATO, undermining military justice, or withholding military aid from an ally under attack make us more free?

We look for simple answers, but reality is complex.

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Yes that was the basic simplification of many conservatives views. Everything needs balance and fairness. Unfortunately our government swings wildly to the extremes. Each side is pushing to extremes because they know the other side is also.

Hartkopf said:

Yes that was the basic simplification of many conservatives views. Everything needs balance and fairness. Unfortunately our government swings wildly to the extremes. Each side is pushing to extremes because they know the other side is also.

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I agree.

Politics is like a pendulum, and as long as it hovers quietly near the center, no one is bothered by it. Let some fool push too hard, though, and that will piss someone else off, who will push back too hard, and the things that happen on the outskirts of those big swings aren't good for anyone.

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I agree.

Politics is like a pendulum, and as long as it hovers quietly near the center, no one is bothered by it. Let some fool push too hard, though, and that will piss someone else off, who will push back too hard, and the things that happen on the outskirts of those big swings aren't good for anyone.

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True. Right now we have an ample supply of fools in government and running for government.

I always said politics is like a kid adjusting a household thermostat. 60dgs or 80dgs and nothing in the middle!

The point others here were making is that your vote is an on/off switch. If you vote for one side, you turn off your right to defend yourself. You might get something else you agree with but at the terrible cost of becoming defenseless. Yes there are small nuances to this but basically you have only one way to vote to avoid eventual confiscation of what is now legal. It won’t be instant but if you vote one particular way long enough, they have proven they want to take your ability to defend yourself.

On the bright side, you’ll get to look at a beautiful, new, shiny, mostly empty, 3 billion dollar metro rail train hold up traffic in a city near you!

Back to the OP: buy mags, lots of mags, and ammo. And keep receipts as mentioned above.

adcoch1 said:

Back to the OP: buy mags, lots of mags, and ammo. And keep receipts as mentioned above.

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So, are you saying that all of the dozens of magazines that I have purchased or acquired over the past couple of decades in Arizona, Idaho, and Washington that I have no receipts for should now be thrown away?

Hartkopf said:

Yes there are small nuances to this but basically you have only one way to vote to avoid eventual confiscation of what is now legal.

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"Small nuances" like race, racism, police, our children's education, the homeless, the working poor, immigration, taxes and war.

Jammersix said:

"Small nuances" like race, racism, police, our children's education, the homeless, the working poor, immigration, taxes and war.

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And the left is on the wrong side of all of those issues for me. YMMV, obviously...

Trey Veston said:

So, are you saying that all of the dozens of magazines that I have purchased or acquired over the past couple of decades in Arizona, Idaho, and Washington that I have no receipts for should now be thrown away?

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I hope not.

I just bought thirty 30 round Pmags for my AR because I truly believe a ban is coming and I have no receipt.

I can't imagine a cop at the door actually asking for a receipt, but then again two years ago I couldn't imagine red flag laws, so there you go. I can see them asking for mags, but not receipts.

If how the red flag laws are playing out now are any indication, there will be a lot of stumbling around, some mistakes, there may even be mags returned after hearings, all because no one will have any idea about how to actually enforce the new law other than to use a LOT of force when confronting a known gun owner.

"Come and take them."

"sigh... okay, it's another one... snipers have a green light, blow the door."