AMMO

Mark1964 said:

Of course people are dying ... but it's not in the numbers from auto accidents or even influenza. The big preventive measure is avoiding large gatherings. So, what's a better hobby than going to the woods, the farm, or the not-huge club and getting some rounds in?
With all due respect to the measures such as closures and limits on gathering numbers, which I actually agree with and happily abide with given what I know of this virus, what would I be helping by not shooting?
I don't follow.
Would I be doing society better if I stopped fishing, too?

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Really, you will be no better shooter tomorrow than you were today... and a fisherman the same... Play if you wish... you have still missed the point... they have asked us not to gather, and to not get out if we don't have to... but ... plenty of people will find a reason to do lots of things that aren't necessary. going to your range won't help you. you most likely are a pretty good shot. give it a break for a week or two

It is unfortunate that people are getting sick and dying. It's unfortunate that more people died in car crashes today in America than have died from covid-19. I'm not denying it's serious...but there's a difference between preparedness and panic. I've used hand sanitizer more in the last week than my other 43 years on Earth combined. Buying ammo to shoot or to replenish normal stock is understandable. I'm going to work tomorrow...and the next day, until I'm told I can't. If I decide to go shooting I will. I'll do whatever it takes to help my 9 year old feel that things are ok. And if it distracts me in the meantime, so be it.

Mark1964 said:

As to why people are "buying guns like crazy," I doubt we here are those people. We had/have the guns, we have our own ammo.
I also think you're a tad hung up on "thousands." Four flats of shotgun shells is 1,000. I can kill four flats in a month, easy ... and I'm a rec shooter, not a competitor.
Two bricks of .22LR is 1,000. I own a half-dozen .22LRs. Why wouldn't I keep 5,000 or 6,000 rounds on hand?
A half-case of 9mm rounds is 500. I shot one of 'em last week. Why wouldn't I keep at least a few thousand rounds on hand for my 9s?
I have to admit, sir, you puzzle me.

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I get it. I don't shoot like you, but you aren't who I'm asking about. Its everyone who wants to buy like crazy now... you always buy big, and your buying is standard.... but they can't keep ammo on the shelf...its not from people like you... its the new buyers... and that's what I'm speaking about

Probably has more to do with the fool anti 2a politicians wanting stop gun and ammo sales under the emergency scheme. Would not put it past them to try to keep the ban going after its all over.

Howland937 said:

It is unfortunate that people are getting sick and dying. It's unfortunate that more people died in car crashes today in America than have died from covid-19. I'm not denying it's serious...but there's a difference between preparedness and panic. I've used hand sanitizer more in the last week than my other 43 years on Earth combined. Buying ammo to shoot or to replenish normal stock is understandable. I'm going to work tomorrow...and the next day, until I'm told I can't. If I decide to go shooting I will. I'll do whatever it takes to help my 9 year old feel that things are ok. And if it distracts me in the meantime, so be it.

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Thats cool. Keep up with your routine. again, this isn't my point... They can't keep ammo on the shelf, and its not from people like you.

I got my first gun when i was 10. Ive bought many more since then. We're on the same team here. I don't shoot like you guys do. my point was, we now have a shortage of ammo...period. I don't see that as an issue. most of you do. I can protect my family; if all goes to hell, I'll be able to protect mine. I don't have thousands of rounds. You may. Why is it like this? Why are people buying like crazy? Why is toilet paper sold out? Surely we are smart enough to figure this out?

But it is from people like me. Not JUST people like me though...I mean, it's everyone that bought ammo in the last couple days. I bought a couple boxes. Of 38 Super. Wasn't fighting anyone for it and I'm sure the price sticker looked about 5 years old.

Americans: Oh, God, I'm gonna get killed by a virus.

Also Americans: Man, the first thing I need to buy is more 9mm to defend myself!

You're old enough to remember 9/11...gas prices shot up, basic stuff was in short supply in a lot of places. I don't know if it's media, social media, or something they read on the wall of the restroom stall in Walmart. But something caused them to hit the panic button. I don't think it's easy to figure out or marketing firms would have a monopoly on it by now.

People are behaving irrationally. I suppose we'd need an expert in mass psychology or cultural anthropology or some other field to explain it.
We're not those people.
You've asked why some people buy in the thousands. Many of us here do and have for years.
It's rather natural that now that these panic buyers are running amok and impacting our supply/pricing, we're going to (a) talk about it and (b) adjust our own purchases.
I'll adjust downward so as not pay ridiculous prices. That's what a lot of here have been talking about: "Dang, not this again."

Re staying home, they really haven't ask that of the not at-risk. They've asked us to avoid mass gatherings (sports events, concerts, etc) and densely congregated spaces (schools, etc).
If they ask the healthy to stay home, I'll comply as best as able, but in the interim, I'm going to go about my life with the modifications they've asked for...no more, no less.

i guess what bothers me the most, is that i shoot MOA with my rifles, and clean them meticulously. I take care of my guns and I am super accurate with them. I am not a member of a gun club. I shoot at our farm and only really shoot to be accurate, and to make sure all of my guns are still accurate. I don't feel the need to get crazy with it. I deer hunt from October to January. Mostly archery because of the season length. i hunt with a crossbow because I'm more accurate than with a compound. i want to have solid shots, and kill quickly. but, I'm one of you. i believe in gun ownership... i believe in our rights... and i don't think its ok that they may be taken away. but... im looked at like a rookie on a site like this because i don't think like many of you. i don't think that's ok... I don't practice without the knowledge of a purpose. We all have a purpose...or do we?

HoosierHunter128 said:

im looked at like a rookie on a site like this because i don't think like many of you. i don't think that's ok... I don't practice without the knowledge of a purpose. We all have a purpose...or do we?

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I certainly wouldn't see you as a rookie. We're all on the same team, but as with any team our roles may differ. Some people hunt, some shoot a lot. Some do both. I enjoy both, but I'm nowhere near an expert at either.

Mark1964 said:

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Re staying home, they really haven't ask that of the not at-risk. They've asked us to avoid mass gatherings (sports events, concerts, etc) and densely congregated spaces (schools, etc).
If they ask the healthy to stay home, I'll comply as best as able, but in the interim, I'm going to go about my life with the modifications they've asked for...no more, no less.

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I'll be going to work tomorrow however I'm a bit on edge to do so and here is why.

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I have a co-worker who on weekends does inventory nation wide, gets paid good for it. Last weekend he flew to Cali to LAX, came back Tuesday to work, on Friday he flew to Boston, and is coming back to work Monday or Tuesday. We told him it wasn't a good idea right now and he said " well I gotta make money and it pays good so oh well" . So if he brings it us, we all will be out of work for two weeks, and another co-worker had a kidney transplant and his immune system is compromised so he is at extra risk from exposure. The way I see it he should be told not to come back until he is cleared but they will just say 'you feel ok well come on in"

Which leads to two.....

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American business too often twists employees to man up and come to work, and too many American employees have a attitude of man up and go to work sick also. Being made to feel guilty for calling in sick.

And then, when something like this spreads , the panic buying begins

Howland937 said:

I certainly wouldn't see you as a rookie. We're all on the same team, but as with any team our roles may differ. Some people hunt, some shoot a lot. Some do both. I enjoy both, but I'm nowhere near an expert at either.

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Thank you for that. Im clearly not an expert either. I am confident. Sounds like you are too...

lionking said:

I'll be going to work tomorrow however I'm a bit on edge to do so and here is why.

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I have a co-worker who on weekends does inventory nation wide, gets paid good for it. Last weekend he flew to Cali to LAX, came back Tuesday to work, on Friday he flew to Boston, and is coming back to work Monday or Tuesday. We told him it wasn't a good idea right now and he said " well I gotta make money and it pays good so oh well" . So if he brings it us, we all will be out of work for two weeks, and another co-worker had a kidney transplant and his immune system is compromised so he is at extra risk from exposure. The way I see it he should be told not to come back until he is cleared but they will just say 'you feel ok well come on in"

Which leads to two.....

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American business too often twists employees to man up and come to work, and too many American employees have a attitude of man up and go to work sick also. Being made to feel guilty for calling in sick.

And then, when something like this spreads , the panic buying begins

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That sucks.. my dad just said that the local firefighters found a dead guy, who shouldn't have normally died. a semi-young guy. Weird to find him dead. Not that he has this, but he may. tests haven't come back yet. 10 firefighters now may be at risk...close to home. We have been told to stop the traveling... don't come into work... that will help... but won't stop this spread... clearly... my point is thousands of rounds of ammo won't help you... a guy like me, with plenty of ammo and a good shot, if it all goes to hell, will be just as ready. We need to stop spending crazy money on ammo, and worrying about toilet paper....

HoosierHunter128 said:

...I have a freezer full of meat, which will last weeks without electricity if not opened regularly...

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I suggest you test that sometime when it's not critical to survival.

Unless you live at the north pole, opening your freezer full of meat after two weeks without power is likely to require intestinal fortitude and a gas mask.

lionking said:

I'll be going to work tomorrow however I'm a bit on edge to do so and here is why.

One
I have a co-worker who on weekends does inventory nation wide, gets paid good for it. Last weekend he flew to Cali to LAX, came back Tuesday to work, on Friday he flew to Boston, and is coming back to work Monday or Tuesday. We told him it wasn't a good idea right now and he said " well I gotta make money and it pays good so oh well" . So if he brings it us, we all will be out of work for two weeks, and another co-worker had a kidney transplant and his immune system is compromised so he is at extra risk from exposure. The way I see it he should be told not to come back until he is cleared but they will just say 'you feel ok well come on in"

Which leads to two.....

Two
American business too often twists employees to man up and come to work, and too many American employees have a attitude of man up and go to work sick also. Being made to feel guilty for calling in sick.

And then, when something like this spreads , the panic buying begins

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Make the request in writing to the management that your co-worker be kept 6 ft. away from everyone else and restrict access to common tools. Make sure to wash your hands frequently and don't touch your face.

I agree with you that sick days are there to be used and an enlightened management does not urge workers to tough it out. Infecting others is not a productive decision.

Shanghai McCoy said:

The 23rd st. Dillons down in Larryville had a pallet of TP available and cases of bottled water throughout the store. People were walking by both with no "panic" that I could see...
Don't know what's going on at the only range/gun tore in town?

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The Dillon's on 6th had all empty TP shelves and, oddly, pinto beans. Coincidence? I think not.

Sniper66 said:

The Dillon's on 6th had all empty TP shelves and, oddly, pinto beans. Coincidence? I think not.

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If this was Hollywood, coronavirus would be conquered by consuming pinto beans and then killing the virus dead in a couple of hours by a noxious gas emission. Mars Attacks used Slim Whitman yodeling.

Swampman said:

I suggest you test that sometime when it's not critical to survival.

Unless you live at the north pole, opening your freezer full of meat after two weeks without power is likely to require intestinal fortitude and a gas mask.

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unfortunately, my family lives in an area that has power outages that, at times, will be out for days and weeks at a time. I am very knowledgeable about how long meat will stay frozen when it is needed. the answer is to not open the freezer unless needed, but for sure, a common freezer will keep meat for at least 2-3 weeks

2nd post.....I'm afraid that most fo 2020 will be punctuated by anxiety like we've never seen. The national anxiety is currently driven by the Wuhan Virus like a grass fire is driven by the wind. But, media driven hatred has been piling kindling on the fire for the last 3 years. It will be reflected in many ways including buying and hoarding ammo. It will likely continue well past the election if Trump loses. If he wins, panic buying of ammo will drop dramatically. My plan is to accumulate more ammo, but not at fear-inflated prices. I have 1,000s of empty cases and will reload as much as possible. Hang on guys; it's gonna be a bumpy ride. But, I have a license plate on the front of my new car that reads "i.g.b.o.k." In small print below those letters is the translation, which is "It's gonna be OK."

Fear feeds on fear and panic feeds on panic. It takes one person to panic and, in turn, they cause others to panic. It multiplies and festers on itself into what we see now. Toilet paper? I mean what is that all about? Gastrointestinal issues appear in less than 4% of those diagnosed with Corona. It only takes one or two posts on a blog somewhere or social media and here we are. Mob mentality is here but it doesn't rule yet.

As far ammunition I can only speak for myself and my part of the world. Some ammo is scarce, .223/5.56 and , for some reason, .38 Sp and .357 Magnum. Plenty of 9 mm and .38 SP +P, & 45 APC. 30/30 is also scarce but that's pretty much a staple around here. Don't think I know anyone over the age 50 that doesn't have a Marlin or Winchester lever action saddle rifle.

My wife went to WalMart today for paint. No zombie hoarders there. Business as usual except no TP. I believe Trump & Pence have a handle on things and although there might be some doom & gloom from the fake news talking heads we, as a nation, will whether this storm. God bless all.

Sniper66 said:

2nd post.....I'm afraid that most fo 2020 will be punctuated by anxiety like we've never seen. The national anxiety is currently driven by the Wuhan Virus like a grass fire is driven by the wind. But, media driven hatred has been piling kindling on the fire for the last 3 years. It will be reflected in many ways including buying and hoarding ammo. It will likely continue well past the election if Trump loses. If he wins, panic buying of ammo will drop dramatically. My plan is to accumulate more ammo, but not at fear-inflated prices. I have 1,000s of empty cases and will reload as much as possible. Hang on guys; it's gonna be a bumpy ride. But, I have a license plate on the front of my new car that reads "i.g.b.o.k." In small print below those letters is the translation, which is "It's gonna be OK."

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I think you are right. More "social distancing" requests (and measures) coming from the G soon. People's fears will worsen.
Perhaps can't be avoided.
Only way to mitigate this thing is tamp down the spread ... "flatten the curve."
People won't like that, but I'm fairly sure there's not much choice.

Tons of ammo choices--now--at SGAmmo.

I just checked only three chamberings: 9mm Luger, .223/5.56 and 7.62 x 39.

Nothing which I saw stated "sold out"...many choices are Available in each of those chamberings.
Did some people not heed very typical advice to always plan ahead Before a surprise event makes people feel anxious? They don't have enough personal initiative, or they were broke the last few years?

We could deploy a 'walk-around' supplemental oxygen bottle for those who assumed that nothing could (ever again) go wrong Before a presidential election.
Several tragic events before and after 2008 should have taught them Something.

It's funny how some people hear a 1,000 or 2,0000 and think that's a lot of ammo and others not.
Last few days, I've picked up a brick of a brick (500 rounds) of .22LR plus 200 .22LR Stingers, a flat of 20 gauge (250 rounds), a half-case (500 rounds) of 9mm ball. That's 1,450 rounds of recreational ammo. That is, it's for use on paper/cardboard, steel or clay.
In the last month, I've probably grabbed 300 rounds of premium JHP loads spread among three calibers -- .380, .38 and 9. OK, call those defensive rounds. Was just toppin' off the green cans 'cause I always do run a little bit of what I carry for function and placement check, as well as to rotate the stuff. And, WTH, Target Sports USA had a sale.
Round it off, and we're talking about 1,800 rounds to replace what I've shot in February and March. And I'm not a guy who competes or is a hard-core defensive trainer. I'd say I'm a fairly average recreational shooter. Honestly, I thought I was being respectful of my budget. Were the checkbook fatter, I'd have picked up a flat each of .410 and 28, too, but decided that could wait until April.
Dunno. Different perceptions, I guess.