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Is there panic buying going on?
I've seen it around here. Fleet Farm and wally world were cleaned out of bulk 22lr and 9mm, 45 acp, 38 spcl and 357 mags. Next will be 223's and Ar's. Plenty of 12ga, 30-06, 30-30 etc left on the shelves.
 
During a NICS check, there are 3 responses: proceed, deny, delay. The first 2 are self explanatory. Company policy and state law determine what can happen with delay. Federal law allows a FFL to proceed with the sale within 3 business days if the dealer receives no response. Smaller gun stores are more likely to transfer a firearm after a delay check whereas big stores are more cautious with the law.

I get delayed on most of my firearm purchases. 9 of my last 10 purchases were delays.
 
The OPs delay may be related to the virus, either more people purchasing or less people working at state and federal levels that handle backgrounds checks/state paperwork/DPS. I was foolish enough to bid on a gun and won the other evening. I chose an FFL from the registry offered through the website to make things easier and talked to employee at FFL two days prior to and was told no problem. I sent the money order today and went to the FFL to let them know to expect it and they were putting up a sign "closed temporarily" and locked the door. When I called they said the system was so backed up they weren't doing transfers at this time. Now the seller has the shipping info for FFL who's not open. Scrambling to find another FFL and contacting the seller to not ship until I get it sorted out. This bug has got the whole world turned upside down.
 
I've seen it around here. Fleet Farm and wally world were cleaned out of bulk 22lr and 9mm, 45 acp, 38 spcl and 357 mags. Next will be 223's and Ar's. Plenty of 12ga, 30-06, 30-30 etc left on the shelves.

Walmart hasn't carried pistol ammo since December, nor are they carrying any .223/5.56/300 Blackout.
 
I assume with all the panic buying that the system for getting the federal OK to let someone purchase a firearm is slowing down.

I have a gun coming in to a local gun store. If for some strange reason the system was backed up and they could not get through for an OK do they just hold the gun until they get hold of someone?

That seems to make sense, but on the other hand I do not know how the law works with this.

In Arkansas, if the background check isn't denied within 3 days, you're cleared by default.
 
I have not seen any panic buying going on, but the fact that gun forums and the media keep pushing this narrative will cause weak minded fools to start panic buying....

Our LGS is cleaned out, and my buddy who runs a shop in SC said his volume has gone through the roof — with most of the buyers being first time buyers. Things are flying out the door in a way he hasn’t seen before. This started before “pushing the narrative”, so call it what you will.
 
Transmits the 4473?

Really? There's no where to transmit it to.
That how Scheels does it. They do not talk to anyone on the phone.
The last time I bought a gun at Wal Mart they did exactly the same thing. They certainly did not talk to NICS on the phone.
 
Our LGS is cleaned out, and my buddy who runs a shop in SC said his volume has gone through the roof — with most of the buyers being first time buyers. Things are flying out the door in a way he hasn’t seen before. This started before “pushing the narrative”, so call it what you will.
It must be in isolated areas or gun shops only... We have literally dozens of gun shops around here, and they're full of ammo and no busier than they have been... Plus with everything closing, 401ks losing money, people out of work, etc, etc, I seriously believe any buying that is going on will slow down.

Not only that, you can still pretty much find whatever you want online just like before.
 
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They should hold it till the background check is completed.
The background check may never "complete". Thats why the Brady Law does not prohibit transferring delayed transactions after three business days , beginning the next business day. FBI NICS will tell the dealer the actual date it may be transferred. If government offices are closed, it may be longer than three business days. I had a delay tonight....Brady date is April 15th.
 
I was at my LGS today and there was a guy finally picking up his pistol after the background check came through 6 days after he applied. After 7 days he would have had to reapply. Mine has always took 15 minutes or less and today it took a full hour and a half.
What state is this?
Federal law allows the background check results to be valid for thirty days. If a buyer is delayed, waits five weeks to come back.....he starts all over.
 
Very weird situation for me last Saturday. I had been price shopping for a certain pistol and an AR lower.

Went in and they were getting overrun by customers.

Salesman said the background checks were taking a while and told him I expected it to be longer than normal .

It took about 2 to 3 minutes to get approval back. Much quicker than normal so beats me!
For the last 3-4 days if I call FBI NICS the recorded message has said estimated time is 30-45 minutes. Then I go to my laptop and do NICS Echeck.....takes about three minutes on most checks.
 
Scheels uses an electronic form on a laptop and transmits your 4473 that way. It is all done in an instant. Then Scheels prints the 4473.
My gun purchases of late took no more than 10 seconds for approval after the electronic for was submitted.
1. Electronic 4473's aren't "transmitted" to anyone unless the dealer stores it electronically.
2. FBI NICS doesn't get all the information on the 4473, just the buyers info and type of firearm.
3. There are only two methods of doing an FBI NICS backfround check....phone call or Echeck via the internet. Neither is automated to allow for "transmitting" the 4473 itself.
 
I am simply amazed that CTD is still in business. Reports I’ve seen indicate that they are up to their old tricks now.
Anyone who can sell a 1000 rounds of cheap bulk ammunition at $800+ deserves not our scorn, but praise.
1. It's the epitome of capitalism.
2. It's THEIR PROPERTY, and no one has the right to demand they sell it for any price.
3. Gouging? Nope. States have legal definitions as to what constitutes "price gouging".
4. Does the price upset you? Then don't buy it.
5. Can't afford to pay that steep price? Then go buy elsewhere and get on with your life.
6. Anyone who buys cheap bulk ammo for 4-5 times "normal" deserves our scorn. They failed to prepare and likely are wiping their backside with yesterdays sports section.
7. If you need ammo, you needed it a long time ago. Ammunition pricing until a month ago was as low as its been in over a decade. Low price, free shipping...yet people are blaming CTD.
8. Gouging teaches people a lesson in life. Yet few learn. If you are prepared, you'll never get gouged.

I've fielded around twenty phone calls this week from folks looking for ammo. Yeah, I could sell them some of mine, but I'm not. I prepared for this panic, they chose not to....and that little life lesson is proving to be an expensive one.
 
...... Federal law allows a FFL to proceed with the sale within 3 business days if the dealer receives no response....
Not "within"....it's after three business days beginning the next business day. And the FBI NICS will tell the dealer the exact day that is because holidays and weekends don't count. It also doesn't count if government offices are closed for any reason.
 
Anyone who can sell a 1000 rounds of cheap bulk ammunition at $800+ deserves not our scorn, but praise.
1. It's the epitome of capitalism.
2. It's THEIR PROPERTY, and no one has the right to demand they sell it for any price.
3. Gouging? Nope. States have legal definitions as to what constitutes "price gouging".
4. Does the price upset you? Then don't buy it.
5. Can't afford to pay that steep price? Then go buy elsewhere and get on with your life.
6. Anyone who buys cheap bulk ammo for 4-5 times "normal" deserves our scorn. They failed to prepare and likely are wiping their backside with yesterdays sports section.
7. If you need ammo, you needed it a long time ago. Ammunition pricing until a month ago was as low as its been in over a decade. Low price, free shipping...yet people are blaming CTD.
8. Gouging teaches people a lesson in life. Yet few learn. If you are prepared, you'll never get gouged.

I've fielded around twenty phone calls this week from folks looking for ammo. Yeah, I could sell them some of mine, but I'm not. I prepared for this panic, they chose not to....and that little life lesson is proving to be an expensive one.
I don’t blame CTD. They own the ammo they can sell it for whatever price they like, and I have no desire to buy any of it. I blame the people who are willing to pay their panic-inflated prices.

I’m amazed they are still in business because most of the shooting community scorns them. I just don’t see how they have maintained enough of a customer base to stay in business. They must somehow have tapped into an endless stream of noobs.
 
Walmart hasn't carried pistol ammo since December, nor are they carrying any .223/5.56/300 Blackout.

The Wally World down the street has plenty of ammo, including Winchester and Remington bulk .22LR. Please don't tell them that!
 
In Arkansas, if the background check isn't denied within 3 days, you're cleared by default.
Not true.
A "proceed" response means FBI NICS could not find any prohibiting factors.
A "delayed" response means FBI NICS needs to do additional research. The Brady Law does not prohibit the dealer from transferring after the NTN date...but he is not required to do so. If the NTN date arrives and the dealer chooses to transfer ....it's not the same as a "proceed" and certainly not "cleared by default". As mentioned above, it is possible to receive a "Denied" response from NICS after the firearm was transferred. I've had it happen once in eleven years.
 
.... I just don’t see how they have maintained enough of a customer base to stay in business. They must somehow have tapped into an endless stream of noobs.
Every day theres a bunch of noobs turning eighteen.;)
Cheaper Than Dirt had a retail location in Ft Worth for years. The mail order business was supposedly a separate company from the retail store. In 2010 they opened locations in Austin & McKinney..........both closed within five years as did the original location.
 
I have not seen any panic buying going on, but the fact that gun forums and the media keep pushing this narrative will cause weak minded fools to start panic buying....
Here is a line around the corner at the San Bernardino Ca Turners Outdoorsman at 10 minutes to 6 in the evening.
Plenty of panic buying, folks were lining up to buy anything they can.

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Stay safe.
 
Here is a line around the corner at the San Bernardino Ca Turners Outdoorsman at 10 minutes to 6 in the evening.
Plenty of panic buying, folks were lining up to buy anything they can.

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Stay safe.
Those people are breathing all over each other standing in that line. The silliness of people never ceases to amaze me.
 
Those people are breathing all over each other standing in that line. The silliness of people never ceases to amaze me.
Yup... and they’re probably standing in urine from homeless folks :rofl:

Glad I’m good with guns and ammo, the gov just ordered everyone to stay home. :eek:

Stay safe.
 
Not "within"....it's after three business days beginning the next business day. And the FBI NICS will tell the dealer the exact day that is because holidays and weekends don't count. It also doesn't count if government offices are closed for any reason.

"Within" allows NCIS to transmit a proceed or deny to the FFL based on more information before the three days is up. I have been delayed many times and when that deadline hits I am usually there quite promptly.
 
Academy Sports today in Collierville, a huge Memphis suburb, had a fair bit of ammo at 10:30.

It looked as if approx. 1/3 of their normal supply was on the shelves.
Prices for lowest-cost 9mm Winchester was Normal. I bought myself two boxes of 9mm (to avoid using my personal reserve), and a single box of .45 for a friend who very seldom shoots and seldom buys ammo.

Having been gradually storing ammo since 2008--many of us acted on advice and personal initiative--there was no need to buy more.
 
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