Lets see where the THR is on 10mm vs 45 acp - assume you have both

Corpral_Agarn said:

Spot on.

I agree with everything thing you said except parting with the Dan Wesson.

If my options are 10mm Glock or a 45acp Dan Wesson...

You better believe I'd keep the Dan Wesson

I know the internet says I will die on the streets carrying a 1911, but hey... I'll at least die with some class on my hip LOL

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Yeah, my DW would be hard to part with, but I'd likely go in search of a DW in 10mm.

I really like my sig P220 10mms too. So I'd struggle no matter the choice. The Dan Wesson is a nicer gun though, hands down.

Both of my 10 mms are DWs.. I got them way back before CZ bought Bob Serva out.

If I need a more powerful autoloader 10 MM, I don't. .45 ACP because I like shooting it better.

entropy said:

1) I've never owned a 10mm, and if I did, it'd be a 2) Delta Elite.

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Before you "pull the trigger" on that, talk to people who actually do own and shoot 10mm.

I've shot my Dad's 20 and 29, and a friend's Delta Elite. I wouldn't say any of them are as comfortable to shoot as a .45 ACP 1911, but of the three I preferred the Delta Elite.

entropy said:

preferred the Delta Elite

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Do you reload? How were the cases that were shot through the Delta.

If you ever get a chance, try a P220 in 10mm, or a Tanfoglio.

460Shooter said:

Do you reload? How were the cases that were shot through the Delta.

If you ever get a chance, try a P220 in 10mm, or a Tanfoglio.

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At the time both of us were in the Army, and living in the barracks, so no reloading. I do recall the primers being flattened out some. I'd like to try a 10mm Tanfoglio, no interest in the P220.

CDW4ME said:

I've got 1911's in 45 acp and 10mm including a Delta Elite;

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So tell me, how exactly is the Delta Elite like? How does it handle recoil, etc.
The Glock 20 I shot had the extended mag release, and under recoil it'd come out. Plus there was some slide problems, but I think it was just a bad pistol. It was still reliable though, aside from the mag coming out.

OP, I'm thinking accuracy combined w quickest follow up shots is the right pick.
I have G20SF but for .45 I have 1911 officers, P220 and HK. I would pick HK and close second would be P220.

I had both (G20 and 29) and (G21 and G30, and 36). Since I don't reload, on the shelf factory 10mm loads are watered down, and specialty companies are high priced, I've stayed with the .45acp.

CDW4ME said:

So, which are you picking?

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.40S&W is still one of my favorites. Then .45.

I guess that's closer to 10mm than anything else. .45 is nice on my targets, but suffers with barriers. 10mm is just too much pistol for ccw. Too large, too heavy. Full power 10mm ammo that rules all, might be too powerful for some situations. And more rational loads, are no better than hot .40 loads. 9mm suffers with barriers for exactly the opposite reason .45 does. That's my opinion.


Funny how quickly people assume they're all the same, on flesh and gelatin. But completely dismiss barriers like wood doors, house walls, car doors, window glass, leather jackets, etc. etc.

Heir Kommt Die Sonne said:

The Glock 20 I shot had the extended mag release, and under recoil it'd come out.

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My 6 inch G20 started doing that last year. That gun has a 6 inch kkm barrel with a heavy recoil spring. After many 10s of thousands of rounds, nearly all full power amd hunting loads. My mag release was the factory one. I replaced both the mag release spring and the mag release for 10 bucks or so and the problem stopped. I'm not sure which was the problem.

CDW4ME said:

IMO felt recoil is less with the Glock 20SF than the 10mm 1911's.

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Id agree. I like the Glock for heavy use. I believe I like the 220 for heavy use as well but really can't say yet. I've always said the HK usp and the 220 would be good candidates for 10mm. I think the 1911 is a good hunting/ occasional use 10mm but I do believe that it is hard on them. That said, My most shot 10mms are a 6 inch Glock that I have hunted whitetail with off and on for 20 years . Followed by a stock G20 (mostly watered down ammo. Georgia arms/BVAC/etc) then my third most fired is my 2005ish (complete guess really) vintage Delta. It has had a shok-buff the whole time but has fired a lot of both 180 gr handloads and full power loads. The rest of mine have less than 1k each I'd guess. Any positive talk of reliability or durability when a gun has so few rounds is speculative at best, though its common amongst gun owners IME

Finding 10MM ammo is a lot easier than finding 10MM ammo which performs to 10MM ammo specs.
For that reason, I prefer my FNX45, or any one of many other 45ACPs to my S&W 1066.

Glocks have never agreed with me and I love 1911's but don't have any interest in carrying one for self defense or any full sized gun.

For a carry gun I will take my XD mod 2 compact in .45 acp or XDS in .45 over a... uh... what, Glock 29 I guess? Even though the Glock 29 is bigger than my Springfields it is considerably less controllable... for me at least. There aren't any smaller 10mm pistols that I am aware of... and for good reason.

Faster and a flatter trajectory have no relivance to me at self defense ranges. I can score hits on the gong at 50 yards pretty reliably with my .45's... if the target is any further away than that should I really be shooting at it for self defense?

I load my own .45 acp self defense ammo with gold dots and a pretty hot charge. I am confident it is a man stopper if I do my part.

For a night stand gun? I can see 10mm making more sense in a full size pistol that sits on the night stand and I don't have to lug it around all day. There are bigger more powerful cartridges than 10mm if you want a full sized night stand gun but much past 10mm power doesn't make any sense to me so I can see a value in a full sized 10mm that I am not going to carry.

Although I fully accept a 10mm packs more power than .45 acp I am not sold that a 10mm is really much if any more terminal than a .45. I can't envision any particular self defense shot that would kill an intruder if made with a good 10mm bullet but would fail to kill the intruder if the exact same shot was made with a good .45 acp bullet. My belief is an expanded gold dot .45 slug will make a larger diameter hole than an expanded 10mm gold dot slug. Hence the bigger diameter bullet will have a minimally better chance of tearing open something critical on its way through a body.

I'll stick with my .45's... if you like 10mm's I certainly wont try to tell you that they are a bad choice for self defense!

45 ACP/Super or 400 Cor-Bon.

I have both in 1911s and the reason I have both is I believe either is a fine choice. The differences are minute and really requires an after action report to determine whether one was more effective.

I went with 45. Only because i have not reloaded in a few years and factory 10MM is watered down to almost 40 S&W speeds.

Robbins290 said:

I went with 45. Only because i have not reloaded in a few years and factory 10MM is watered down to almost 40 S&W speeds.

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That is very very dependent on who's factory 10mm ammo you are using. There are several good manufactures that are loading 10mm to its full potential.

MCB, It was mostly WWB and some federal back then. With walmart stopping pistol ammo. The local shops barely carry 10mm now. So i think it was a wise choice for me.

Robbins290 said:

MCB, It was mostly WWB and some federal back then. With walmart stopping pistol ammo. The local shops barely carry 10mm now. So i think it was a wise choice for me.

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Can you not order ammo online in Maine? There is a huge selection of 10mm Auto (and 45 ACP) to be had if you can/willing to order online.