Rolling trigger breaks compared to regular single action. Opinions sought.

The CZ 75 is double-action, 1911 is single action. Apples to oranges. Yeah, CZ's can be SA, but they normally aren't. Firearm safety is dependent on the person handling the gun.

I hate the long travel involved with DA/SA triggers. Although the CZ Shadow 2 was the best one I tried.

Nothing's safer than a 1911. If you want light, convert your CZ 75 to a single action only trigger. The 75 has a lighter trigger than a 1911 then.

As others have said, it would be helpful if the OP could expand on what he means by a “rolling trigger break.”

“Rolling” the trigger (i.e., pulling a DA trigger in a continuous motion) is not the same thing as a “rolling trigger break.” SAO guns can have a rolling trigger break - it’s a description of how a sear/hammer interface feels during release.

We need to know if the OP just means a DA trigger, a technique for pulling a DA trigger, or the very specific trigger feel of a gun with a rolling trigger break in SA.

In bullseye a roll trigger is one that has some very smooth creep before the break, is this what you mean by rolling trigger?

if I remember back when I had a CZ75 when the trigger was pulled the hammer would cam back slightly before the break with a slight amount of creep, I don’t know if this makes it safe to go lighter though.

koz4guns said:

In bullseye a roll trigger is one that has some very smooth creep before the break, is this what you mean by rolling trigger?

if I remember back when I had a CZ75 when the trigger was pulled the hammer would cam back slightly before the break with a slight amount of creep, I don’t know if this makes it safe to go lighter though.

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One of my bullseye 1911s had a roll trigger. Beautiful trigger for sport use when done properly.

peacebutready said:

I was wondering if that makes it safer to go lighter than a single action trigger without that camming action.

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At very light weights, I would not say the rolling trigger is any less prone to AD/ND's than a similarly-light glass-rod break. The trigger is traversing a tiny distances during the smooth-creep/roll portion of the pull. If you're touching the trigger when you shouldn't be and get startled, it's not going to be any less prone to getting jerked straight through to ignition than if the sear and hammer had no slip before release.

Now, without being worked over and lightened a lot, I would say most CZ's come with triggers that I would be comfortable carrying, including in a cocked-and-locked SAO manner.

9mmepiphany said:

Would you define what you mean by "rolling trigger break"?

If you're equating trigger travel with "safer", I think you might be looking at it from the wrong angle. While I have felt CZ SA triggers that are very light, I wouldn't characterize them as being safer. I've found that lighter triggers tend to tempt shooters to slap through their triggers...which usually has an adverse effect on accuracy

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Yet every high level competition shooter basically shoots fast and accurate "enough" with a controlled slap. Watch the top competitors and they all slap the trigger.

At speed, I think almost all of them pull straight through. The very best are capable of modulating in the middle of a course of fire and prepping a particularly difficult shot. But they’re all “slapping” a good portion of the time in USPSA.

bullseye is a totally different game... no slapping at high levels there.

peacebutready said:

Is a rolling trigger break common on bullseye guns?

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Generally...no. As a rule of thumb:
Rolling break for action shooting.
Defined wall for bullseye.

I like my triggers with a defined "wall" that break like glass.
A great trigger is more than just a lite pull. Pre-travel and over travel play a big part as well. So does reset.

peacebutready said:

Different people have different opinions about how light a single action trigger can be before it is too dangerous for carry and home defense.

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IMO it is a good idea to keep your trigger pull within NRA Precision Pistol rules. Such rules are there to provide safety while allowing for precise target accuracy. The minimum trigger pulls allowed in NRA handgun rules is 2 lb for rimfire, 2-1/2 lb for center fire under .45 cal and 3-1/2 lb for .45 ACP. By keeping the trigger pull within a recognized accepted authoritative rule one is less likely to be accused of wielding an unsafe hare trigger weapon. All these "minimum" trigger pulls are quite light in a handgun.

The heavier the handgun recoils the heavier the trigger pull needs to be to avoid recoil induced inadvertent discharge. So you can go with a lighter trigger pull in a CZ75 9mm compared to a 1911 .45 ACP and have the same level of safety but if you go up to .45 caliber and recoil in a CZ 97 a heavier single action pull is needed. When one goes to the heavy magnums like the S&W 500 the recoil is heavy enough in DA revolvers to induce doubling AD's even with a quite heavy SA trigger pull.

How many times do you read or see on TV where a person says "the gun just went off" when explaining why or how they shot another person. The thing is guns don't just "go off" if the shooter uses proper handling. Keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to shoot and regardless of how light the trigger pull is the gun should be safe.

peacebutready said:

Is a rolling trigger break common on bullseye guns?

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I can’t say it is common because I don’t have one and personally don’t know anyone who does, but the only shooting sport I’ve heard of a roll trigger is Precision Pistol (Bullseye).

If you read the Bullseye forum the roll trigger has a pretty good following, people usually love them or hate them, I would like to give one a try.

Otto said:

Generally...no. As a rule of thumb:
Rolling break for action shooting.
Defined wall for bullseye.

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I would not agree with that. I know a handful of USPSA guys who have and like a “rolling break” on their SA triggers. Almost everyone prefers a “hard wall” glass-rod break with zero detectable creep. People do differ on what weight they want their trigger to be, especially in the SAO divisions where some people get their 2011 race guns well under 2lbs.

I happen to like mine a touch over 2lbs. When it gets too light, the wall starts to feel vague to me. I’d rather have it 100% crisp at 3lb than vague at 1 lb 6 oz.

Steve C said:

By keeping the trigger pull within a recognized accepted authoritative rule one is less likely to be accused of wielding an unsafe hare trigger weapon. All these "minimum" trigger pulls are quite light in a handgun.

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The notion that cops, prosecutors, or juries are going to know about or be impressed by NRA Precision Pistol rules is pretty questionable, IMO.