Remington does it again... Bankruptcy No 2.

https://www.reuters.com/article/rem...e-for-bankruptcy-protection-wsj-idUSL4N2E32P4

The Navajo Nation is about to go into the gun business. The currently leadership was already going down the FUDD path pretty hard core and this looks like it will accelerate this path even more. Any notion of Bushmaster and/or DPMS coming back probably just evaporate with this news. Oh and throw in some smart guns just make it interesting.

FlSwampRat said:

Fully semi automatic scythes?

Seriously speaking, do the Navajos have casinos? If they do the deep pockets might be able to afford some real R&D

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Not sure if they have casinos, but they appear to have a fairly deep pockets the problem is they want to spend that money on R&D in smart-gun technology. And not cool smart guns the do all the external ballistics math for you or similar helpful stuff but the kind that only goes bang with they think the right person is trying to use them. That is not going to win friend with other manufactures or a large segment of the Pro-2A population.

D.B. Cooper said:

The only way to fight that is for millions of gun owners to not spend a penny on anything even remotely connected to the future Remington. No one is going to want to dump all of the casino profits into a money pit of "smart guns" that no one will buy. Problem is, if they find a way to make it work, Congress will legislate it into mandatory existence for everyone.

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I believe California and New Jersey and maybe a few other states have various legislation already passed that are sitting there primed to go into effect if a market proven smart-gun becomes available. In some instances this makes the sale of non-smart-guns illegal. Obviously that would be challenged but those "time-bombs" are already out there to some small degree.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/w...ruptcy-filing-possible-sale-to-navajo-nation/

Another article with more information about a WSJ article that is behind a pay wall.

jmr40 said:

I'm OK with Remington going away. They've been circling the drain since the early 1980's. There are plenty of other options out there making better guns. I can't really think of anything they've done innovative since they introduced the 7mm Rem mag in the 1960's. They sit back and play catch up after everyone else comes up with innovative ideas.

They were the last manufacturer to offer interchangeable choke tubes in their shotguns and still use the stupid reverse stamped checkering on many of their guns. All other manufacturers stopped doing that in the 1960's. The only thing they make that I'd miss is the 870 and there are millions of them out there.

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They have done a few other good things since the 1960's. Remington did design the DPMS Gen II which IMHO was one of the better if not the best of the 308 size AR platforms going. They also brought us the 450 Bushmaster cartridge and I am sort of fond of that cartridge. They did a lot of other things that had potential but they failed to support like the ACR, the 105 CTI, etc. They also made one of the best chassis rifles going before nearly anyone else was even really making them. The XM2010 and its big brother the PSR were the chassis guns to be judge against for years. You can still see their influences in many of the current chassis guns. But again they never brought it to the civilian market and thus the price never came down to reasonable prices.

Marlin was actually starting to come around, I wonder how this is going to affect Marlin since they are owned and made at Remington in Ilion NY?

Sort of sad to see what has happened to the oldest US gun maker but such is life and progress...

jeff-10 said:

The moral of this story is if you are a gun related business or organization (see NRA) located on the eastern seaboard that is north of North Carolina, it is time to relocate. Do not let the fact that your employees don't want to uproot their families keep you in a location that does not want you. It will make business all but impossible. I hope Kimber is listening, I think they are the last major successful one.

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But Remington did, they have relatively new and fairly larger manufacturing facility down here in Huntsville and it did not save them. Remington has had 4 difference CEO's in the past ~5 years. Remington's leadership problems trumped any advantage moving a lot of its manufacturing to Alabama gave them.

Obturation said:

I wouldn't miss Remington. Can't think of a single gun they produce that's even mildly interesting to me and the QC has been horrible at best. There's no excuse for their handguns , their shotguns have all the controls in the wrong places and their rifles are outdone by just about every other manufacturer . there is only one thing I buy with remingtons name on it- 7 1/2 primers but I would think someone else makes them, but I don't know.hate to see any gun company disappear, especially one with the history of Remington but they've just produced bad guns for several years . with any luck they'll be purchased by someone who can restore former glory, I'm not holding my breath though.

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I agree with the QC issues for sure and yet I am going to miss Remington more than I probably should.

I own several Remington rifles, shotguns and handguns and more Bushmasters, DPMS and AAC stuff too.

The best group I have ever shot with any gun was with a Remington 700 made in the past two years.

I have shared that target before but that is a .38 MOA 5-shot group at 200 yards using a factory barreled action and factory ammo.

I can't defend Remington and yet I can't say I won't miss them either...