Question about a Dan Wesson A-2

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hi, my question is about the way the gun is in it's case, when you go to buy it.

The gun was wrapped in what looked like a brown paper wrapper?

and i am sure I had seen, a little bit of oil on the wrapper?

of all the guns i have bought thus far (5 in total), I have never seen that brown paper wrapper.

what is it, if anyone knows?

and right now however, they want full list price of $1,395, so I'll have to wait a bit, but at least, they had that ONE in stock.

felt good too with the wooden grips, but since I had previously bought 4 others there, I was hoping for even a "slight" discount.

one more thing, would a Taurus 1911 be as good if not a better purchase at much less a price?


thanks in advance.
 
Never owned a DW, but have shot a couple after they'd been owned and used some. Can't really speak to the question about brown paper.
buddyd157 said:
one more thing, would a Taurus 1911 be as good if not a better purchase at much less a price?
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There really aren't any 1911's that I'd compare to the DW in that price range. Maybe be something from S&W with some custom work done. I've shot the Taurus a few times. It serves a purpose, but mentioning it in comparison to the DW could get you tarred and feathered around here :)

If you're just wanting a cheap 1911, Taurus would probably be behind R.I.A./Citadel and for not much more you can buy a Kimber.
 
The brown paper is so that the oil doesn't soak through onto everything else , keeps the oil on the gun instead of soaking into the foam.
I'm no expert by any means , I'm a fairly new gunowner as well , but I don't believe that Taurus is anywhere near the quality of a Dan Wesson. I don't own any Dan Wesson 1911s , but I do have 2 of the older Dan Wesson revolvers made by the original Dan Wesson out of Monson Massachusetts. Dan Wesson is now owned by CZ.
 
A PT1911 sure wont have the resale value of a DW.....

There was a time when Taurus rivaled S&W for producing quality firearms, but that time is long passed, and S&W aint what they used to be. Dan Wesson (CZ) makes some of the finest regular production guns made today.

The oiled wrapper is just to control moisture in the box during shipping and storage.
 
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The paper is to keep the oil in place, as mentioned already.

The oil is Kroil. Kroil is all you need to clean a DW. Use 15w40 for lube.

1911's are rust buckets, special care is required.
 
Zerodefect said:
The paper is to keep the oil in place, as mentioned already.

The oil is Kroil. Kroil is all you need to clean a DW. Use 15w40 for lube.

1911's are rust buckets, special care is required.
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wow, for a pricey handgun, they rust out?

sheesh, that's disheartening, compared to me El Cheapo under $600 guns.
 
buddyd157 said:
wow, for a pricey handgun, they rust out?

sheesh, that's disheartening, compared to me El Cheapo under $600 guns.
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Modern production hand guns (1911s included) will not rust out. Period. If you use and maintain your pistol, you will probably never see a speck of rust. I can't speak for old 1911s because I've never had a pre-WW2 pistol, but I would think the same holds true. Rust should not be a worry.
 
They won't ''rust out''.

But they'll get really ugly if it's your CCW. Rust on the checkering first. Then the frame and slide. They'll pit. ''Quality'' 1911's and revolvers first. Yes, cheapo modern Glocks and such are far more rust resistant. Name of the game.

The cheapest, lamest stainless steel, ever made, that Ruger used to use on the P series worthless pistols, is the most corrosion proof stuff I've ever seen. Glocks Tennifer used to be great as well.

Don't believe me. Lend me your best 1911. I'll rust it without a hint of abuse. I don't live in an office, or maybe I eat too much mexican food.

Crap 1911's like a Kimber, I can ruin in mere months. Barrel ''in the white'', yeah, great idea for a safe queen.

There's a chance that DW is duty treated. Check that. If it is, it should be nearly as resistant as a new Glock.
 
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Zerodefect said:
They won't ''rust out''.

But they'll get really ugly if it's your CCW. Rust on the checkering first. Then the frame and slide. They'll pit. ''Quality'' 1911's and revolvers first. Yes, cheapo modern Glocks and such are far more rust resistant. Name of the game.

The cheapest, lamest stainless steel, ever made, that Ruger used to use on the P series worthless pistols, is the most corrosion proof stuff I've ever seen. Glocks Tennifer used to be great as well.

Don't believe me. Lend me your best 1911. I'll rust it without a hint of abuse. I don't live in an office, or maybe I eat too much mexican food.

Crap 1911's like a Kimber, I can ruin in mere months. Barrel ''in the white'', yeah, great idea for a safe queen.

There's a chance that DW is duty treated. Check that. If it is, it should be nearly as resistant as a new Glock.
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from the Dan Wesson site

"All our pistols share the same match-grade components, but specific features vary by model. All of our black guns start out in stainless and are coated in our Duty finish, a revolutionary treatment process that actually bonds to the components and creates a super-durable matte-black skin. Our Duty finish beats any of the spray-and-bake finishes most companies use today, hands down. Our durability testing proves it, and our customers love it — which is proof enough for us!"

the A2 is a black gun
 
Zerodefect said:
They won't ''rust out''.

But they'll get really ugly if it's your CCW. Rust on the checkering first. Then the frame and slide. They'll pit. ''Quality'' 1911's and revolvers first. Yes, cheapo modern Glocks and such are far more rust resistant. Name of the game.

The cheapest, lamest stainless steel, ever made, that Ruger used to use on the P series worthless pistols, is the most corrosion proof stuff I've ever seen. Glocks Tennifer used to be great as well.

Don't believe me. Lend me your best 1911. I'll rust it without a hint of abuse. I don't live in an office, or maybe I eat too much mexican food.

Crap 1911's like a Kimber, I can ruin in mere months. Barrel ''in the white'', yeah, great idea for a safe queen.

There's a chance that DW is duty treated. Check that. If it is, it should be nearly as resistant as a new Glock.
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That Ruger "Terhune Anticorro" didnt seem great to me. Rusty P-series were certainly a thing down here in the humidity. Despite that, they were hardly worthless. Bulky, unrefined, yes. Accurate and reliable, also yes.

Tennifer was good, but the EPA put a stop to that.

A 1911 will not rust with any more or less frequency than any other gun made of the same material or finish. There is nothing inherent in the design that promotes corrosion. Take any handgun, keep it clean, oiled, and away from humidity and it will last a lifetime. Even then, expect to polish away a spot or two of surface rust occasionally if such things bug you.
 
buddyd157 said:
wow, for a pricey handgun, they rust out?

sheesh, that's disheartening, compared to me El Cheapo under $600 guns.
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From what I've seen and read (on Dan Wesson 1911s)the hammers tend to rust if the don't have a certain finish on them
 
buddyd157 said:
and right now however, they want full list price of $1,395, so I'll have to wait a bit, but at least, they had that ONE in stock.

one more thing, would a Taurus 1911 be as good if not a better purchase at much less a price?
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buddyd157 said:
wow, for a pricey handgun, they rust out?

sheesh, that's disheartening, compared to me El Cheapo under $600 guns.
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I usually try to talk folks who make comments like these out of 1911's. Perhaps not coincidentally, Dan Wesson's often seem to be a 1911 brand chosen by many folks like this. It often doesn't end up being a good match.

I'd never recommend a Taurus 1911 over a Dan Wesson, unless... you feel a pistol should cost $500. If $1,395 is way out of your normal pistol purchasing price range, you'll never be happy with it.
 
I'll paraphrase a couple of my posts from another forum regarding Dan Wesson 1911's - which are fine 1911's, but 1911's are not for everybody.


The Dan Wesson 1911 line-up is often recommended when folks are looking for their first 1911. Many of these folks looking seem to be experienced shooters, but that experience is limited to striker fired guns in the $500 price range.

Buying a $1,500 gun is a big leap for many of them and often expectations are unrealistic. Coming from a "six drops of lube" mindset to a 1911 is one thing, using harsh chemicals like brake cleaner, or even simple products like BreakFree CLP and then worrying about slight shade differences in the DutyTreat finish is another. Then there is the whole Dan Wesson owner's manual break-in procedure.

Another Dan Wesson "for instance" would be "galling".

I'd have bet a month's salary that galling as a firearm issue had been fixed by firearm manufacturers back in the 1980's. I can't recall galling being an issue with any other 1911 maker, or any handgun maker, for probably 30 years, until it started showing up with Dan Wesson 1911 owners a few years ago.

Is it a real issue that Dan Wesson flubbed on, certainly possible, but man does it seem unlikely, or is it some user error? I don't know, but it is certainly an oddball blip in the 1911 community.
 
A few points... 1. ANY blued gun will rust if not cared for properly. (think sweat and leather holsters)
2. Stainless steel guns are fairly rust resistant.
3. Parkerizing, cared for properly is very rust resistant.
4. Newer coatings-- too many to list-- are quite durable
5. If you have to use guns in a rough environment and cannot care for them properly and regularly, you should use newer polymer framed guns with stainless slides. Aluminum frames with stainless slides work well, too.

Finally, most of us in the firearm community enjoy using a variety of gun types and don't find the maintenance to be much of a chore. However, if you intend to buy a gun and keep it in your sock drawer for years, or carry it for years without shooting or maintenance, you probably need to consider likelihood of rust in your purchase.
 
Zerodefect said:
They won't ''rust out''.

But they'll get really ugly if it's your CCW. Rust on the checkering first. Then the frame and slide. They'll pit. ''Quality'' 1911's and revolvers first. Yes, cheapo modern Glocks and such are far more rust resistant. Name of the game.

The cheapest, lamest stainless steel, ever made, that Ruger used to use on the P series worthless pistols, is the most corrosion proof stuff I've ever seen. Glocks Tennifer used to be great as well.

Don't believe me. Lend me your best 1911. I'll rust it without a hint of abuse. I don't live in an office, or maybe I eat too much mexican food.

Crap 1911's like a Kimber, I can ruin in mere months. Barrel ''in the white'', yeah, great idea for a safe queen.

There's a chance that DW is duty treated. Check that. If it is, it should be nearly as resistant as a new Glock.
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Huh, over 10 years of daily 1911 carry didn't give me those results. Dan Wesson, Kimber, Springfield, Colt, Ruger all saw time.

Only issue was actually a Dan Wesson though, my VBob did have some staining/rusting on the hammer. Eventually had it replaced and the new hammer has held up fine.

I've had rust issues with older German Sig's though, get the finish worn and those liked to rust in the summer, even sitting oiled in the safe, before I lived in a place with consistent AC.
 
JTQ said:
I'll paraphrase a couple of my posts from another forum regarding Dan Wesson 1911's - which are fine 1911's, but 1911's are not for everybody.


The Dan Wesson 1911 line-up is often recommended when folks are looking for their first 1911. Many of these folks looking seem to be experienced shooters, but that experience is limited to striker fired guns in the $500 price range.

Buying a $1,500 gun is a big leap for many of them and often expectations are unrealistic. Coming from a "six drops of lube" mindset to a 1911 is one thing, using harsh chemicals like brake cleaner, or even simple products like BreakFree CLP and then worrying about slight shade differences in the DutyTreat finish is another. Then there is the whole Dan Wesson owner's manual break-in procedure.

Another Dan Wesson "for instance" would be "galling".

I'd have bet a month's salary that galling as a firearm issue had been fixed by firearm manufacturers back in the 1980's. I can't recall galling being an issue with any other 1911 maker, or any handgun maker, for probably 30 years, until it started showing up with Dan Wesson 1911 owners a few years ago.

Is it a real issue that Dan Wesson flubbed on, certainly possible, but man does it seem unlikely, or is it some user error? I don't know, but it is certainly an oddball blip in the 1911 community.
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for what it may be worth, i have 2 hammer fired guns, (both CZ models), and 3 striker fired guns. i had posted several times here, my target practice using both types of guns. one of my CZ's, is a .45 ACP and from my last range visit, i seem to be able to handle the .45 very well, and this was not my opinion on myself, but 2 RSO's.

and yes, in fact, i did download a Dan Wesson maintenance and break in, lube and cleaning, where they do recommend at least 2 different lube oils.

in regards as to why i asked about a Taurus being "just as good", right now, i am on a pension and SS. money as a result is tight, over those of you that are still working.

so, i'll just have to save up for that Dan Wesson.

and as for cleaning fluids, i use Hoppes 9 exclusively, along with Hoppes oil, and i also have Weapon Shield oil as well.
 
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