Poll. Open Carry. Are You Comfortable Openly Carrying In Legal States?
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A risk with a more serious consequence is that of being hit in the head from behind to obtain the gun.
Most OC promoters seem to think that a person who wants their gun, will step in front of them and announce that they will take their gun, allowing you do engage them with your retention and H2H skills. As Kleanbore states they may just hit you. Well, let me add to that - having had some blade training (no expert at all!), you just get a surprise knife in the back or gun hand slash from someone who closes without announcing. Then what?
That is the risk in crowded environments. So OC in the woods is irrelevant.
That is the risk in crowded environments. So OC in the woods is irrelevant.
Lucky Derby
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I will add that some who OC in my state, do it for legal reasons.
1.The State allows the sheriff up to 90 days to process your application for a CHP (Concealed Handgun Permit) from the time you submit the application. A few counties play games with this and set you an appointment to submit the application, I've seen it as much as 9 months out for the appointment. So while you are waiting a year for your permit to CC, OC is a legal option.
2. There are some people that just can barely afford the gun, ammo & holster, let alone the class and permit fees (Sheriffs are allowed to charge up to $152.50 fee. Class is whatever the instructor chooses to charge) People should not have their rights restricted due to lack of resources.
3. Those between the ages of 18 & 20 can not legally conceal, but can open carry, either a long gun or a handgun if it was gifted to them by either a parent or spouse who is over 21. A friend's daughter does this.
4. Not exactly a legal reason but I'll put it here anyway. I have one friend who refuses to "pay extortion money" to the State for a permit. On one level, I agree with him. His is also one of the most discreet means of OC I've ever seen. Black gun in black holster on a black belt over black pants & black shirt. Unless you look for it, you really wouldn't notice. It does make for a boring wardrobe though.
1.The State allows the sheriff up to 90 days to process your application for a CHP (Concealed Handgun Permit) from the time you submit the application. A few counties play games with this and set you an appointment to submit the application, I've seen it as much as 9 months out for the appointment. So while you are waiting a year for your permit to CC, OC is a legal option.
2. There are some people that just can barely afford the gun, ammo & holster, let alone the class and permit fees (Sheriffs are allowed to charge up to $152.50 fee. Class is whatever the instructor chooses to charge) People should not have their rights restricted due to lack of resources.
3. Those between the ages of 18 & 20 can not legally conceal, but can open carry, either a long gun or a handgun if it was gifted to them by either a parent or spouse who is over 21. A friend's daughter does this.
4. Not exactly a legal reason but I'll put it here anyway. I have one friend who refuses to "pay extortion money" to the State for a permit. On one level, I agree with him. His is also one of the most discreet means of OC I've ever seen. Black gun in black holster on a black belt over black pants & black shirt. Unless you look for it, you really wouldn't notice. It does make for a boring wardrobe though.
Tommygunn
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Yep.
And common sense should tell anyone that wen someone attacks an open carrier without shooting him, that is how it will happen.
It's a lot different when an arresting officer is grappling with someone--hence, the retention holster.
Some info:
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-perils-of-open-carry
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/friends-dont-let-friends-open-carry
Ellifritz is a well respected expert on firearms issues.
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-perils-of-open-carry
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/friends-dont-let-friends-open-carry
Ellifritz is a well respected expert on firearms issues.
Trunk Monkey
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Which Counties do this? I've lived in Colorado since 1992 and this is the first I've heard of this.
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It happened to me twice and one of the two did square up on me and tell me he was going to "Knock me on my ass and take my gun." He backed up pretty quick when I pulled out my OC though.
MAN WITH A GUN CALLS.
This had to have happened over a year ago because the warehouse I work in has been empty that long but one night I saw a guy walking down the street in front of the warehouse carrying a rifle in his hand. I mentioned it to one of the client employees and he directed me to call the police.
I called the cops as directed and was specifically told that it was a legal activity and they weren't going to send a car. Oddly enough about ten minutes later five cop cars showed up.
There was also a mass shooting in Co Springs in 2017 or 2018 (ETA it was 2015 and there was one 911 call but the dispatcher terminated the call) during which a half a dozen people called in a man with a gun on the shooter and CSPD wouldn't send a car because it was a legal activity. They didn't send a car until the guy actually started shooting.
I don't open carry but if I did somebody calling the cops would be low on my list of concerns
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No. I don’t like drawing any more attention to myself in public than is absolutely necessary. Ergo, open carry is not something I ever want to do.
It would not be high on mine, either.
Olon
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I voted sometimes. Generally if I'm going to town I'll go with concealed so as not to draw unnecessary attention to myself. Just don't like being the center of attention and in the college town I live in, I would definitely be making a scene. With CC I also feel I have an ace up my sleeve should anything go down, whereas if I'm open carrying I lose that advantage.
Skeptic13
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I voted sometimes. I think there are situations that it is appropriate. However if I am in public I will always conceal. I think open carry makes me a target and I want the fact that I am armed to be a surprise to the bad guy.
Lucky Derby
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Denver and Adams that I am aware of.
Hangingrock
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I'm not a proponent of open carry. I've witnessed individuals both male and female doing so. That's their choice. I choose not to draw attention to myself. On the other hand a lot of individuals are so self absorbed in there own little bubble that they don't notice what others are doing.
Trunk Monkey
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You can't open carry in Denver anyway
Lucky Derby
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True, but we were talking about appointment times for permits. Just because you live in Denver, doesn't mean you can't OC when you are outside of Denver.
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I've seen a noticeable increase in open carry since the apocalypse started. Mostly among my neighbors, so it's people that I have some sense of who they are.
A lot of the people I see are folks who smoke weed and are thus ineligible for a Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit.
Most of them use cheap holsters with ZERO retention and most of them seem to have little if any training.
BUT that shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not I should be able to open carry (should I choose to)
A lot of the people I see are folks who smoke weed and are thus ineligible for a Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit.
Most of them use cheap holsters with ZERO retention and most of them seem to have little if any training.
BUT that shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not I should be able to open carry (should I choose to)
Tommygunn
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Thank you for the links and the response.
Just a thought; this will of course be irrelevant to weapons retention if someone's child is grabbed and held hostage as in one scenario in the linked article .... but so far as a weapon being grabbed, any comment on it being easier/harder if wearing a shoulder holster as opposed to outside belt holsted?
I'll with hold my opinion in favor of a more informed opinion.
Old Dog
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Why do people say this? You're guessing, you've not seen this ...
OC is not uncommon in my state, even on the liberal (Western) side of the Cascades. Typically, I see guys (and a few women) with decent leather or Kydex rigs, with and without retention devices.
I only get concerned when the obese cheap Dickies jeans-wearing guy smelling like cheap bourbon sporting a floppy Uncle Mike's nylon holster hanging by two threads from a wimpy Wal-Mart belt with a budget plastic pistol falling out gets behind me in line at the grocery store check-out ... But, as I said, most OCers I note seem fairly attentive to their surroundings and look to have squared-away carry systems.
Trunk Monkey
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I say it because I've seen it.
The majority of times that I see somebody open carrying they're using some cheap nylon one size fits most belt holster. The retention is usually a velcro strap that is set up so that they have to reach down, pull the strap off and then reach back down and grab the gun and draw it. The holster is usually secured to the belt by a single loop leaving the gun flopping WAAAAAY out from the belt.
And if it's not that it's a DERPA which actually looks good in comparison.
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you are helping to prove what I said is true.
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