They do not have our gun culture but there are firearms and some competitors there. Now, teacupping is all over the place here. Go to a match with a newbie or two and help out their grips. The holding the wrist grip was common here. The military taught it way back when. I had a friend who did that, despite my suggestions, because his father was a Marine and that's how Dad did that. You can find it on old cops shows here. Adam-12, Clint Eastwood, Charlton Heston for example.
Hollywood and Guns
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It's not just guns. And when filming a movie it is pretty darn hard to get all of the props accurately in place. As gun guys we tend to notice the firearm errors, but you have movies set in 1968 and see 1970 model cars in scenes. Hairstyles, clothes, shoes, etc., are very often out of place. Even movies that are based on historical events are often very inaccurate. Certain scenes, and dialog may be pretty close, but rarely the whole movie. Remember, it is entertainment.
Jim Watson
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Too bad there weren't recorders in the colonies and on the frontier.
I think there are a lot of neologisms in costume dramas and doubt the dialog is close to spoken English.
doubleh
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[ I don't care who you are if you point a gun (loaded or not) at me like that my response is going to be somewhat less than polite[/QUOTE]
I would do the same but if you stick one in my gut or lift my hat with one it's going to be entirely different in my case. Something like, "Yes, sir, whatever you wish, sir".
Yeah, the Dirty Harry movies weren't exactly realistic but they were fun entertainment. That's all any movie or TV show is and I find those of today to be much more unrealistic than the Dirty Harry series was. An example is "John Wick" and I don't care how much he trained to make the movies. I have learned to watch for the entertainment of the story line and ignore the dumb stuff because they all have it in spades. I saw a comment on another forum once about the Longmeir series complaining that it wasn't realistic as the state didn't have as many murders in 5 years as the show had in one episode. No one is going to watch dull shows. Plot and action, lots of action, is what draws viewers and most of them don't give a flip about any mistakes.
I would do the same but if you stick one in my gut or lift my hat with one it's going to be entirely different in my case. Something like, "Yes, sir, whatever you wish, sir".
Yeah, the Dirty Harry movies weren't exactly realistic but they were fun entertainment. That's all any movie or TV show is and I find those of today to be much more unrealistic than the Dirty Harry series was. An example is "John Wick" and I don't care how much he trained to make the movies. I have learned to watch for the entertainment of the story line and ignore the dumb stuff because they all have it in spades. I saw a comment on another forum once about the Longmeir series complaining that it wasn't realistic as the state didn't have as many murders in 5 years as the show had in one episode. No one is going to watch dull shows. Plot and action, lots of action, is what draws viewers and most of them don't give a flip about any mistakes.
bdickens
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In case y'all didn't get the memo: Hollywood is fake.
Choctaw
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Magnum Force featured revolvers and aircraft carriers. What more could you possibly want?
If it’s a movie set before the 1980’s, the actors should have their fingers on the triggers. That was normal back then.
An interesting anachronism was Jim Belushi’s remake of the Bogart film Sahara. Belushi is playing a WWII tank commander, and it made me laugh to see him hold his 1911 in a Weaver grip.
An interesting anachronism was Jim Belushi’s remake of the Bogart film Sahara. Belushi is playing a WWII tank commander, and it made me laugh to see him hold his 1911 in a Weaver grip.
Trunk Monkey
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I remember watching a YouTube video by John Schneider. He was talking about the number of cars if they went through for the Dukes of Hazzard. And he said they went through more than 300 cars and if the cars they bought were I think he said it was within a 4 year range.
So in any given episode of The Dukes of Hazzard you could be looking at a 1968 Dodge Charger or 1972 Dodge Charger. Sometimes inside would be brown sometimes the inside would be black.
But we're not car guys we don't notice that.
So in any given episode of The Dukes of Hazzard you could be looking at a 1968 Dodge Charger or 1972 Dodge Charger. Sometimes inside would be brown sometimes the inside would be black.
But we're not car guys we don't notice that.
Ernie Bass
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Prove it.
The moderator deleted the post above stating that it was just a picture. Wrong. He missed the words Prove it, which was actually used two times in the Great movie Shane. A lot of great gun quotes in this movie and a lot of history. . I guess the mod just never watched it.
Prove was used by the gunslinger "Wilson" and again at the End by Shane. Great Scene.
What a shame most great classics are forgotten my the New Gun world. Seems if it is not some crazy auto, shooting 50 people or a John Wick type of move, there is nothing else A new world we live in.
Here is the second time the Phrase Prove it was used in the film.
The moderator deleted the post above stating that it was just a picture. Wrong. He missed the words Prove it, which was actually used two times in the Great movie Shane. A lot of great gun quotes in this movie and a lot of history. . I guess the mod just never watched it.
Prove was used by the gunslinger "Wilson" and again at the End by Shane. Great Scene.
What a shame most great classics are forgotten my the New Gun world. Seems if it is not some crazy auto, shooting 50 people or a John Wick type of move, there is nothing else A new world we live in.
Here is the second time the Phrase Prove it was used in the film.
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AZAndy
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At least we're finally past the era where anytime somebody was shot onscreen, they'd go flying backwards into a wall or something. Or at least I haven't seen that recently. I do still see one of the oldies-- where somebody is threatening to shoot somebody with a 1911, and it's not cocked.
The wear-on-the-gun comment about the Bond movie reminded me of something that always troubles me a little about shows set between 1920 and 1960 or so. There's always lots of really nice cars running around, but every single one of them looks brand-new. Just because it's, say, 1952, doesn't mean that all the cars on the road are from 1950-1952 and look factory-fresh with no dents.
The wear-on-the-gun comment about the Bond movie reminded me of something that always troubles me a little about shows set between 1920 and 1960 or so. There's always lots of really nice cars running around, but every single one of them looks brand-new. Just because it's, say, 1952, doesn't mean that all the cars on the road are from 1950-1952 and look factory-fresh with no dents.
indy1919a4
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Thanks, that photo of Jack Palance and that clip just reminded me more what a great Movie Shane was...
That was one hell of a great shoot out.. Loved Jack Palance going down shooting..
DustyGmt
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I always like the Breaking Bad scene where hank squares off with Tuco and Tuco sprays lead from his M4 indiscriminately and Hank lays down a blanket of suppressive fire from his Glock .40 and after he drops to the deck and hears Tuco have to stop to reload, he quickly reloads and hops up and takes one carefully aimed, laser focus headshot.
A few lil minor nitpicks aside, that gunfight seemed like a realistic portrayal of a gunfight. It lasted less than 30 seconds, wasnt any 200rd magazine action going on and especially hank, acted the part well of somebody who just walked into a very hairy situation with all of 3 seconds to react to it.
Also the way he was squeezing off as many rounds as he could, the camera focused on the the gun for a minute and it seemed to showcase his fine motor degraded adrenaline squeeze.
(46) Breaking Bad - Hank vs Tuco - YouTube
A few lil minor nitpicks aside, that gunfight seemed like a realistic portrayal of a gunfight. It lasted less than 30 seconds, wasnt any 200rd magazine action going on and especially hank, acted the part well of somebody who just walked into a very hairy situation with all of 3 seconds to react to it.
Also the way he was squeezing off as many rounds as he could, the camera focused on the the gun for a minute and it seemed to showcase his fine motor degraded adrenaline squeeze.
(46) Breaking Bad - Hank vs Tuco - YouTube
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Trunk Monkey
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I love the cinematography of Shane but to be perfectly honest they butchered the book.
In the book Shane was well dressed and unarmed when he rode up the valley and he was a lot more menacing that Alan Ladd's portrayal (More like Val Kilmer's Doc holliday without the drunkenness) In the book Shane very clearly tells Bob that he must leave the valley because you can't go back from a killing. He alludes to this in the movie as well.
Louis L'amour mentions how ridiculous the concept of a Western town's citizens cowering before the evil outlaw is. Considering that the majority of men in western towns had military experience, were combat vets ( civil war) and veterans of indian fights.
I see the book as much more pro- gun than the movie. In the book Starret Sr. is stopped from throwing down on Fletcher ( Ryker) at least twice because Marion begs him not to.
In the book Shane's gun is described
There it was the most beautiful looking weapon I ever saw. Beautiful and deadly looking... I knew enough to know that the gun was a single action Colt, the same model as the Regular Army issue...
This was the same model. But this was no Army gun. It was black , almost blue black, with the darkness not in any enamel but in the metal itself.
The grip was clear on the outer curve , shaped to the fingers on the inner curve.and two ivory plates were set into it with exquisite skill, one on each side.... It was clean and polished and oiled...I was surprised to see that the front sight was gone, the barrel smooth right down to the end, and that the hammer had been filed to a sharp point
SHANE Copyright 1949 By Jack Schaefer Houghton Mifflin Company Boston MA.
In the book Shane was well dressed and unarmed when he rode up the valley and he was a lot more menacing that Alan Ladd's portrayal (More like Val Kilmer's Doc holliday without the drunkenness) In the book Shane very clearly tells Bob that he must leave the valley because you can't go back from a killing. He alludes to this in the movie as well.
Louis L'amour mentions how ridiculous the concept of a Western town's citizens cowering before the evil outlaw is. Considering that the majority of men in western towns had military experience, were combat vets ( civil war) and veterans of indian fights.
I see the book as much more pro- gun than the movie. In the book Starret Sr. is stopped from throwing down on Fletcher ( Ryker) at least twice because Marion begs him not to.
In the book Shane's gun is described
There it was the most beautiful looking weapon I ever saw. Beautiful and deadly looking... I knew enough to know that the gun was a single action Colt, the same model as the Regular Army issue...
This was the same model. But this was no Army gun. It was black , almost blue black, with the darkness not in any enamel but in the metal itself.
The grip was clear on the outer curve , shaped to the fingers on the inner curve.and two ivory plates were set into it with exquisite skill, one on each side.... It was clean and polished and oiled...I was surprised to see that the front sight was gone, the barrel smooth right down to the end, and that the hammer had been filed to a sharp point
SHANE Copyright 1949 By Jack Schaefer Houghton Mifflin Company Boston MA.
Ernie Bass
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The vast majority of the People were farmers in the book and movie. The cowboys designer did a great job with the cowboys of that era. I do not recall hardly any menacing sceness from the towns people. Not much to the town in the first place. Very small with Muddy streets. Other than a few in the Bar that did not want any trouble in the first visit of Shane when he went into town with Starrett. When Shane was dressed in nothing but work clothes and without a firearm. The bar fight was and prelude was tense.
Here is a great scene. You can see the Major building in town was Graftons store and also the bar. Look at how the cowboys are dressed sitting on the porch. The Farmer is actually a Civil War Vet from the South and notice how he is dressed.
Here is a great scene. You can see the Major building in town was Graftons store and also the bar. Look at how the cowboys are dressed sitting on the porch. The Farmer is actually a Civil War Vet from the South and notice how he is dressed.
Exactly. The cult of "Keep your booger hook off the bang switch!" is relatively new. Many of these cultists would go absolutely apoplectic if they were sent back in time and saw some of the gun handling of bygone days. It is understandable for a semiauto pistol (especially something like a Glock), but not such a big deal with a DA or SA revolver.
I do remember one thing that I saw once that did impress me. On one episode of Star Trek (the real one), I don't remember the exact episode or even the situation, but I do remember a red shirt was holding his phaser pistol on the bad guy, and Kirk walked between them, and as he did, red shirt instinctively lowered his pistol as Kirk passed, and then raised it back up. Obviously had handled firearms before.
entropy
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Shooting a handgun right handed using the left eye results in misses except at very short (bad breath) distances. (1:40 in the Hank vs Tuco video above) Ask me how I know.
I still see Dean Norris as the Training Camp Commander in Starship Troopers.
I still see Dean Norris as the Training Camp Commander in Starship Troopers.
and then he said he used "specials".
entropy
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I think he only used them at the range, IIRC. What a whimp. I used full on HOT magnums with compressed loads of Blue Dot, and some with 300 gr. Hornadys for moose hunting.
Old Dog
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If there is light at the end of the tunnel, it's that more and more network television series and motion picture films are using the services of "firearms advisors" and "firearms training consultants" (beyond using the L.A.-based studio firearms suppliers/rentals such as ISS [Independent Studio Services], Mike Tristano and Co., Weapons Specialists Ltd., Mike Gibbons Entertainment Armory, etc.).
Remember the re-boot of Hawaii 5-0? CBS went to great lengths to get the police and military weaponry (fairly) correct and to teach the actors and guest actors adequate gun-handling. Producer Michael Mann has always gone to great lengths to ensure firearms and their usage are accurately portrayed in his television series (Miami Vice, Criime Story) and movies (Heat being a terrific example). New movies depicting more recent combat (Lone Survivor, 13 Hours) have hired on actual participants from the events to act as technical and firearms advisors (although I seem to recall Marcus Luttrell lamenting the placement of an M9 at the beginning of L.S. instead of a SIG P226, possibly Beretta payed for some product placement).
My point is, that consumers seem to be demanding more accuracy in movie (and TV) depictions of action and gun-play, hence more attention seems to being paid to these aspects of production. Even a cheesy TV series such as the SWAT re-boot seems to work harder on the weapons scenes that did major motion pictures of the '60s, '70s, '80s, and later.
P.S. While the John Wick flicks were sorta entertaining (pretty much one-note, though), and I appreciate Keanu's hard work on training, I cringe thinking of someone new to the gun world watching this sheer fantasy gun-play.
Remember the re-boot of Hawaii 5-0? CBS went to great lengths to get the police and military weaponry (fairly) correct and to teach the actors and guest actors adequate gun-handling. Producer Michael Mann has always gone to great lengths to ensure firearms and their usage are accurately portrayed in his television series (Miami Vice, Criime Story) and movies (Heat being a terrific example). New movies depicting more recent combat (Lone Survivor, 13 Hours) have hired on actual participants from the events to act as technical and firearms advisors (although I seem to recall Marcus Luttrell lamenting the placement of an M9 at the beginning of L.S. instead of a SIG P226, possibly Beretta payed for some product placement).
My point is, that consumers seem to be demanding more accuracy in movie (and TV) depictions of action and gun-play, hence more attention seems to being paid to these aspects of production. Even a cheesy TV series such as the SWAT re-boot seems to work harder on the weapons scenes that did major motion pictures of the '60s, '70s, '80s, and later.
Not to pick nits here or take the thread off course, but there are many of us right-handers who are left-eye dominant and capable of a great deal of pretty accurate handgun shooting.
P.S. While the John Wick flicks were sorta entertaining (pretty much one-note, though), and I appreciate Keanu's hard work on training, I cringe thinking of someone new to the gun world watching this sheer fantasy gun-play.
Most Cowboy Movies:
Now, I don't know about you guys, but horses, in all my years of experience, have been skittish, high strung, and especially sensitive to loud noises, compacted airwaves(like you get, when you fire a gun, nearby) and motion. Wonderful, and amazing animals, but they do tend to a weakness, with regards to sound.
But most Westerns, the horses are just riding around, or galloping on, with everybody blazing away, with rifles and pistols, left and right. Now, I don't know about everybody else, but I wouldn't dream of firing off a gun, nearby a horse, let alone mounted, for fear of a trip to the E.R...
Now, I don't know about you guys, but horses, in all my years of experience, have been skittish, high strung, and especially sensitive to loud noises, compacted airwaves(like you get, when you fire a gun, nearby) and motion. Wonderful, and amazing animals, but they do tend to a weakness, with regards to sound.
But most Westerns, the horses are just riding around, or galloping on, with everybody blazing away, with rifles and pistols, left and right. Now, I don't know about everybody else, but I wouldn't dream of firing off a gun, nearby a horse, let alone mounted, for fear of a trip to the E.R...
.455_Hunter
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I know the Webley MK VI is 35 years out of place in Zulu and Zulu Dawn, but they sure do still look the part.
.450 Adams guns are kinda hard to find...
.450 Adams guns are kinda hard to find...
FL-NC
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Hollyweird rarely gets it right. A friend of mine's brother (retired after a 20+ year in the army, mostly in the Ranger regiment) is a partner in a technical consulting firm that exists solely to help film makers get the whole gun/military/tactical thing right.
Arkansas Paul
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I chuckle at some gun gaffs in movies.
I was watching the HBO series Westworld last night, a very entertaining series IMO.
If you're not familiar it's a kind of virtual world that takes place in modern times, but you can go to a town and live like in the old West.
Anyway, someone got shot with a Winchester rifle, and it kicked the shell casing out like an auto. I laughed out loud.
I was watching the HBO series Westworld last night, a very entertaining series IMO.
If you're not familiar it's a kind of virtual world that takes place in modern times, but you can go to a town and live like in the old West.
Anyway, someone got shot with a Winchester rifle, and it kicked the shell casing out like an auto. I laughed out loud.
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