Shooters are adjusting

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I am thanking Hillary Clinton for my ammo reserves. Not gonna lie, I was nervous about that election. By the time she had her 16-point lead in the polls, I'd been getting two or three 1000-round cases a week of one caliber or another left on my front porch all summer and through the fall of 2016. Thanks again, Hillary!

Midway has some brand of M855 on its website this morning, $699 for 1200 rounds. I almost got sucked into it, but then sanity returned.
 
brewer12345 said:
If this keeps up, I wonder how many of these ranges will go out of business.
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Good question. We are a municipal range that is primarily used by four different LE agencies including the federal government. We are OK.
I think gun ranges that also sell guns, ammo, and offer gunsmithing services should be OK for the immediate future but if the wrong people get into office, this current shortage will be a joke compared to what they can and will do with executive orders.
 
brewer12345: Interesting possible choices.

We should have a fair idea about the potential for ammo price decreases (or sharp increases) by November 3rd, or possibly several days later.

Old Dog: Why didn't you postpone storing ammo in 2016, and wait to see how the mindless herd reacted?
Personal initiative----you learn from history?:confused: Such independent resolve is too much for most people.
 
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I won't pay more than $0.25 / round for range fodder 9mm. I'm a contrarian, so when things are low I buy, when things get crazy I rely on my inventory. If I didn't prepare to weather a storm then I just simply won't shoot until demand drops, supply catches up and prices come down.

It's pretty easy to have lots of 22lr to satisfy the urge to shoot in tight times. I'm not to that point yet, as I still have a comfortable supply of 9mm to serve my shooting needs and helping friends and family with some as well.
 
No evidence of any ammo shortage at our club today, My wife and I had to wait for a spot. Really rare during the middle of the week.
 
I can definitely tell you there's no shortage of shooters showing up at the ranges around here. They must be getting their ammo somewhere.
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People are definitely getting ammo--more people than usual. That's why it's in such short supply.
 
JohnKSa:
And the same twenty-twenty five or so guys walk in to scoop up, "possibly" flip ammo at the nearest Academy--every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 9:00.

We're 'hip' tp the slim chances that those guys keep all of it. Extremely doubtful that many are new shooters.

The gun counter manager told me about them a few days ago.
 
The way the polls are indicating, people might be wishing they had the chance to buy 9mm at $25/box.
 
My son-in-law went to a lgs and purchased a couple boxes of 223 for our range time last sunday. Much to my dismay I saw the price tag on the box. I questioned him on the $20 dollars a box of 20! He said that was all he could find. The next day I brought him over 100 rds (5 boxes) of .223 and said next time ask me first! I paid 5.50 a box for the ones I had but gave them to him for nothing.
 
I would remind folks that we do not do pure politics. Deleted some, some posts are mixed but drop pure politics.
 
Ignition Override said:
JohnKSa:
And the same twenty-twenty five or so guys walk in to scoop up, "possibly" flip ammo at the nearest Academy--every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 9:00.

We're 'hip' tp the slim chances that those guys keep all of it. Extremely doubtful that many are new shooters.

The gun counter manager told me about them a few days ago.
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That's what's going on in my area. A certain rural chain known for reasonable pricing (hasn't raised its ammo prices in the last couple years, despite the "panic") gets ammo on a pallet same day every week, same ten guys lined up at the ammo counter before they even start carting it out from the back ... Must be nice to be retired and have that much time on your hands. Oh, by the way -- none of these guys are "new shooters."

As an aside, I noticed one of my former go-to on-line ammo vendors (losing a lot of respect due to their price-gouging) just hiked the price two bucks a box of 50 on a certain 9mm JHP since yesterday morning. $779 bucks for a 1000-round case of IWI di-cut 115-grain 9mm JHPs -- the same ammo I got from Midway a year ago for $279 for the same amount of rounds!
 
Old Dog said:
A certain rural chain known for reasonable pricing (hasn't raised its ammo prices in the last couple years, despite the "panic") gets ammo on a pallet same day every week, same ten guys lined up at the ammo counter before they even start carting it out from the back ...

As an aside, I noticed one of my former go-to on-line ammo vendors (losing a lot of respect due to their price-gouging) just hiked the price two bucks a box of 50 on a certain 9mm JHP
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It makes no sense to complain about hoarders and gougers in the same post. Either the store keeps prices low and sells out, or they raise prices so stock stays on the shelves for more than a few minutes.

The panic buying would subside if retailers raised their prices to the market rate. Selling at artificially low prices just enables the flippers and encourages everyone to buy as much as possible.
 
Perhaps one result is that people will concentrate on marksmanship instead of powder burning. I recall an article years ago about a Rhodesian who won the IPSC championship-with a Browning HP ? He said that because he did not have access to large amounts of ammunition he shot intensively, not extensively.
 
reddog81 said:
It makes no sense to complain about hoarders and gougers in the same post. Either the store keeps prices low and sells out, or they raise prices so stock stays on the shelves for more than a few minutes.

The panic buying would subside if retailers raised their prices to the market rate. Selling at artificially low prices just enables the flippers and encourages everyone to buy as much as possible.
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Who is complaining? I'm simply noting the current phenomena.

Glad some of you all have the answer to this current situation. Frankly, I'll stay loyal to, and support the retailers that do not hike their prices in response to what's going on. Those that are trying to make money now -- they're not raising their prices to keep stock on the shelves or to curtail the "panic" buying -- I'll take note and not patronize them again.
 
A couple of decades ago a gun shop owner I knew would buy all his shelf stock of ammo from the local WalMart.
He had some kind of deal with the sporting dept manager. Got first dib on ammo, then doubled the price for his shop.
 
BLACKHAWKNJ said:
Perhaps one result is that people will concentrate on marksmanship instead of powder burning. I recall an article years ago about a Rhodesian who won the IPSC championship-with a Browning HP ? He said that because he did not have access to large amounts of ammunition he shot intensively, not extensively.
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The best is to shot intensively and extensively. I've popped 10,000 primers in a month and there was no 'spraying and powder burning' about it.
 
Creed Bennett said:
Wow! You guys are really opening my eyes. I just told my wife the new norm and you all choosing limited ammo at a less price or more expensive and all you want. This might sound odd but during the Clinton administration I felt led to buy 200 to 500 rounds of Winchester 115 9mm per week during my wife and I's weekly Walmart trip. I also bought 5.56 and 12 gauge self defense loads. By "being led" I mean God was telling me to do this. Now that 2020 has showed up and we're 3/4th's of the way through it, and Covid, and the election is three weeks away I see why! One of my coworkers mentioned that his wife had bought a small Ruger 9mm for personal defense but couldn't find any ammo to practice with. The next day I brought him a zip loc bag with 50 rounds in it. You'd have thought I named my kid after him or something. He tried all day to pay me for it and I refused. I also took advantage of a Primary Arms sale on 34 round Glock mags. I pulled the box out of my mailbox on the way to work and when I got there I opened the box. One of my coworkers said he wished he had something like that for his Glock 19. I pitched him one. I think he wanted me to be his daughters god father. At my job we are all like family and I'm glad we can help each other. God works in mysterious ways and Im starting to see what he had me do all this for. When someone needs something and I've got it I'll help them out. It feels really good to be able to make them feel better prepared. I'm not telling you guys this so you'll think I'm a great guy. I'm just mentioning it so if you have a little excess maybe you can pass it along and help someone out. I firmly believe that something BIG is coming after the election and people are going to have to fight for there lives and possessions.
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I know the feeling, from both perspectives. Well. Sort of.

One of my girlfriend's coworkers quit his job and left state. On his way to the airport to go start his new life, he dropped by our house and gave me (free) a bunch of 9mm ammo. He basically doubled my inventory. I had only met this guy once before. Later that evening, my girlfriend suggested I give some of it to another coworker of hers, who actually know as we share a few hobbies/interests. I basically asked if she was out of her mind, and then tried to explain that she might as well give away small gold bars. She balked and began to explain the value of relationships etc etc. She was right, of course.
 
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