Duty to Inform Experience

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JJFitch said:
Step one when stopped by L/E is the attitude test!
Yes, you have rights and responsibilities to yourself and others.
Passing the attitude test works in your favor every time. Especially if a firearm is involved. Being cited or arrested for a firearms issue can be expensive. You want the $800 an hour attorney!

It's your money!
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What the "heck" are you even talking about?

The cop pulled me over. He walked up to my car, introduced himself, told me why he stopped me, told me he wasn't giving me a ticket, asked for my documents and asked about weapons as soon as I handed them to him. All of that took less than 1 minute and I didn't even have a chance to open my mouth before he was screaming at me.

As I mentioned above this particular cop turned out to be a Murderer I don't think I Was the one with the attitude problem
 
Going back to the OP
He was in his home not pulled over driving
He was not asked for his license or ID
So why all the posts about driving??

He did not enter another home so does one have a duty to inform when in their own home?
Where is the law that says that?
 
Rule3 said:
Going back to the OP
He was in his home not pulled over driving
He was not asked for his license or ID
So why all the posts about driving??
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Because that's where most of our experience with the police lies.

Rule3 said:
He did not enter another home so does one have a duty to inform when in their own home? Where is the law that says that?
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If the law says you have to inform in an official interaction, it doesn't matter where the official interaction occurrs
 
Not entirely correct

There is no duty to inform as he was not asked for ID or DL
Sure it’s nice to tell the LEO but not required
 
Going back to the OP
He was in his home not pulled over driving
He was not asked for his license or ID
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He did not enter another home so does one have a duty to inform when in their own home?
Where is the law that says that?
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The AR duty to inform has nothing to do with the location where the interaction takes place. It's the same whether one is pulled over or if it happens in the person's own home.

If the officer asks for ID/DL OR if the officer asks for any personal information (such as name & BD) and the person is carrying, the person must inform the officer that they have a handgun license and that they are carrying.
 
"As a rule..."

In quotes because it's used a lot.

"As a rule..." know what your jurisdictional laws say, first and foremost.

You may be gigged either way (meaning an officer may say/do something no matter what the law actually says), but knowing what the law actually says and means is YOUR best friend in these matters.

Not because it allows you to argue with an officer, but because if you end up in court THAT is what the court is going to be concerned about.

Understand that this does not obviate "common sense" or circumstances. If, in your best judgement based on the circumstances, it is best to inform the law enforcement officer, then so be it.

But I don't think informing should necessarily be an "automatic" act.
 
Illinois, as surprising as it may be, is not a duty to inform state. You only have to tell an officer if they specifically ask if you have a weapon/firearm. The officers that taught our concealed carry class advised us not to volunteer the fact that we are carrying, saying if the officer wants to know they can ask and if you introduce the idea when they weren't thinking about it it might put them on edge. They added that if you felt the need to, though, you should have it well rehearsed and avoid the word "gun."

I personally have never had to worry about it, no interactions with officers since getting my CCL. However, I have rehearsed my duty to inform speech for when I travel to states that require it, Nebraska being the main one I need to worry about as I have family out there. Mine basically goes along the lines of, "I have a duty to inform you that I am a CCL holder and am currently carrying a [firearm brand, model, caliber] [on my right hand side/in my right pocket, etc.], how would you like me to proceed?" Also have a sister-in-law in Arkansas we visit on occasion but they're moving to either Indiana or Kentucky next spring, so won't have to worry about it at that point. Whenever we go out of state, though, I always refresh myself on each state's laws using my CCW app. Great resource, highly recommend it.
 
I topped a hill running a bit too fast and got pulled over in East Texas by a state trooper, handed him my DL/CHL and as he looks at them he says "just a warning this time, take it easy.... By the way, whatchya carrying". I told him I had a .380 in my pocket and a 1911 Commander under the seat. He said with a smile "well you're well prepared aren't ya" Yes sir, thank you sir, be safe.
 
NC is duty to inform: I've had several encounters, from an accident to checkpoints. The usual response is amused impatience (They know I have to say something but they really don't care). I've also gotten one "Thank you for exercising your second amendment rights". But one time, a state trooper had me give him my right hand which he held as he then had me exit the vehicle (he opened the door), and then removed the gun (LCP) from my pocket. He placed it in the back of my SUV and informed me that I could retrieve it after he had driven away. He told me he was being "extra safe" because a cop somewhere else had been shot at a traffic stop a few days ago.
 
Was riding with a buddy, he had an early Camaro with a souped up V-8 sticking through the hood,,,, could out run anything in our part of Texas....did get pulled over by a Ranger,,,,asked my buddy,,,,”do you know what I stopped you?” buddy, replied. “Because I let your”
 
They never ask. I drive my own vehicle and LTCH is tied to my plate.
They know before they get out of their car.

One did get vocal about all the ammo in tje glove box. I laughed and asked him of his hunting buds ever showed up without ammo or a mag.

Mine have. I carry spares.
 
Worst thing I might do is 5 mph over posted.

My 4x4 gets crappy mileage and im never in a hurry.

Write me a ticket or not.
Dont lecture me.

Most of the local LE know my vehicle.


Had one follow me late one night, yrs ago.
Turns out it was an officer wanting to sell a compound bow LMAO
 
Craig_VA said:
Yes, in Arkansas if you have a CCL, the law requires you to inform when asked for identifying information, but not in casual conversation or contact. There is no exception for being on your own private property, or for carrying openly instead of concealed. As I stated in my post.

Here is the complete subsection of the Arkansas law:
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AR Administrative Rules Dept. of AR State Police
CHAPTER 3. License Possession Requirements
Rule 3.2 Contact With Law Enforcement
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee is in possession of a handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a handgun in his or her possession.
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I highly recommend you overcome your admitted laziness and check HandGunLaw.us for the actual law where you are.
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I fully understand, if asked, I would have to inform that's rather obvious. And I understand it is different from state-to-state. I was just curious about your at home (inside or outside in the drive, etc., and LE comes to your home to ask you a question; example might be did you witness a disturbance last night...whatever, would it ever be required to say....hey, I have a gun on me...or something to that affect? It never would to me; no more than I would ever allow them to search my house without a warrant.
 
I'd gotten pulled over one time and since it was on a busy street pulled into a grocery store parking lot. Officer walks up and we talk briefly about why he pulled me over. Hand him my info and he comments that he smells marijuana smoke. "Yeah, me too but it's not me."
Probable cause to search. No big deal because the smell wasn't coming from my Jeep. Call in K-9...."anything in your vehicle that might be an issue?"
"No, but there are a couple guns in the back, not loaded"
Steps back reaching for his gun "get on the ground, now!"

Ok...fine.
Handcuffs...whatever
Informs me I have a duty to inform him that I'm carrying a gun in Ohio.
"I'm not carrying a gun. I'm transporting 2 unloaded rifles in cases, in the back of an SUV, with the ammo in a range bag on the front seat"

K-9 arrives, climbs all through my Jeep sniffing around, jumps out, pisses on my tire and sits down beside the handler. K-9 handler inquires why I'm in handcuffs and is told I didn't inform the officer of the guns immediately. "Ummm...do you not realize that's only for concealed carry? If he doesn't have a concealed weapon, he doesn't have to tell you"

"Sorry for the confusion. Hit your turn signal sooner next time."
 
OneFreeTexan said:
trunk monkey,,, seems you have an issue with my posts? What is your problem? Please explain it clearly and don’t beat around the bush with these comments.
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Well maybe I read more into your post than was there but if you're implying that your friend was driving all over Hooterville County Texas out running all the cops I think you might be stretching the blanket just a little bit.
 
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