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I’m in a strange part at the end of my career. I’m retired, but not retire. I’ve been on sick leave since May. Last month I finished all of my paperwork and got my retirement ID, but I’m still burning time on the books. My official retirement date is December 31st.
Here’s were the problem came up. I did all my retirement paperwork in October and my POST re-qualification is in November. As a retired officer I have to re-qualify POST every year to be able to carry concealed in all 50 states.
I wasn’t able to re-qualify this month with the department due to having my retirement paperwork done and being on sick leave.
And then There’s the fact that I have a lot of nerve damage in my right arm, shoulder, neck and face. I have muscle spasms in my right shoulder almost 24-7. This is due to residual effects from radiation treatments. Life has been fun.:D
You just got to love it when the odds are stacked against you.
So today I re-qualified with the retirees, but I can’t submit my re-qual score as a retired LEO due to my official retirement date is at the end of December. Sounds confusing, doesn’t it.:confused:
Not to fear. The instructor today is a retired Captain from my department and the Sargent that runs the range is a good friend that I worked the streets with years ago.
They just transferred my score to the department roster and everything is good.:)
Now I bet some of you are wondering how good can a person like me shoot. The minimum score for post is 98 out of 120, with 60 rounds fired. I fired a 117 today. I only dropped 3 points at the 25 yard line.
I used my Glock 17 Gen4 to qualify.
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I a-tribute my score to practice. I try to shoot no less then once a week. Most often this is done with a 22 pistol. I find having the Glock 44 to train with a big plus.
One should never give up and always push themselves no matter if the odds are stacked against you.
 
Congratulations Gunny! That fellow would've been down for good. Try to enjoy your retirement... I expect you'll find some way to spend all that free time... or the Mrs. will find it for you....
 
Isn't HR218 great! I use to qualify with the department but found out that this could be problematic for me because I travel and not always around at the time of the qualifications.
I tried the private route with qualifications but there to can be expensive.
I settled on just a regular CCW which covers me for the states I travel to. When I travel elsewhere I check to see if my CCW is honored in the states I travel to and from.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
Now I bet some of you are wondering how good can a person like me shoot. The minimum score for post is 98 out of 120, with 60 rounds fired. I fired a 117 today. I only dropped 3 points at the 25 yard line.
I used my Glock 17 Gen4 to qualify.
View attachment 954407

I a-tribute my score to practice. I try to shoot no less then once a week. Most often this is done with a 22 pistol. I find having the Glock 44 to train with a big plus.
One should never give up and always push themselves no matter if the odds are stacked against you.
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My grandfather broke his arm as a teenager and had a metal plate that held things together. His arm healed up but he some mobility problems with his right hand, specifically he found it difficult to pull the hammer back on a revolver. When he was in the Navy, it wasn't really an issue but the LAPD used revolvers.
So his solution for qualifying with the LAPD was to always qualify on the combat course and shoot left handed, which he did his entire career. He took pride in the fact that he never had to try again and always qual'd the first time out.
 
Congrats! It's good to hear that you take this seriously!

As a POST certified firearms instructor I too "re-qual" retirees! Your are absolutely correct the key to qualifying is practice. The first question I always ask is "Have you been practicing"? All too often the answer is "I haven't had time"! Or "Ammo is too expensive!" I have been "qualifing a retired Sgt. for over 10 years and he has yet to "qual" on the first try yet he brags about his shooting ability since he was involved in a shooting some 30 years ago!

Yes it requires dedication, time and ammo but the real cost is "There are no second places in a gun fight"!

Smiles,
 
Col. Harrumph said:
Congratulations Gunny! That fellow would've been down for good. Try to enjoy your retirement... I expect you'll find some way to spend all that free time... or the Mrs. will find it for you....
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I’m not the best shot, but can hold my own.
To keep me busy I’m going to get into woodturning. Going to build a new shop to put all my new toys in. There’s no Mrs. to interfere with the spending of my money. Life is good without having to deal with a honey do list.:rofl:
 
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shootstraight57 said:
Isn't HR218 great! I use to qualify with the department but found out that this could be problematic for me because I travel and not always around at the time of the qualifications.
I tried the private route with qualifications but there to can be expensive.
I settled on just a regular CCW which covers me for the states I travel to. When I travel elsewhere I check to see if my CCW is honored in the states I travel to and from.
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I found out yesterday that I can get a free lifetime concealed carry permit from the state Of LA. because I’m a veteran and retired police officer.
I’m going to get it and also keep up my HR218 qualification.
 
Ivy Mike said:
My grandfather broke his arm as a teenager and had a metal plate that held things together. His arm healed up but he some mobility problems with his right hand, specifically he found it difficult to pull the hammer back on a revolver. When he was in the Navy, it wasn't really an issue but the LAPD used revolvers.
So his solution for qualifying with the LAPD was to always qualify on the combat course and shoot left handed, which he did his entire career. He took pride in the fact that he never had to try again and always qual'd the first time out.
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Our older generations were made of stronger men. There wasn’t someone handing out free rides just because you had some type of disability. Adapt, improvise and overcome.
 
shootstraight57 said:
Isn't HR218 great! ....
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HR numbers do get recycled. Yesterday’s HR 218 is not today’s HR 218. ;)

You are correct, however, in that opportunities to maintain a current LEOSA qual can be challenging, especially if one travels, has moved to an area without cooperative places to qual, or has retired from an uncooperative PD/agency.

COVID-related shut-downs interrupted my ability to keep my LEOSA qual current. It is good to maintain one or more licenses/permits to carry, that do not have the one-year shelf life of an LEOSA qual.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I’m in a strange part at the end of my career. I’m retired, but not retire. I’ve been on sick leave since May. Last month I finished all of my paperwork and got my retirement ID, but I’m still burning time on the books. My official retirement date is December 31st.
Here’s were the problem came up. I did all my retirement paperwork in October and my POST re-qualification is in November. As a retired officer I have to re-qualify POST every year to be able to carry concealed in all 50 states.
I wasn’t able to re-qualify this month with the department due to having my retirement paperwork done and being on sick leave.
And then There’s the fact that I have a lot of nerve damage in my right arm, shoulder, neck and face. I have muscle spasms in my right shoulder almost 24-7. This is due to residual effects from radiation treatments. Life has been fun.:D
You just got to love it when the odds are stacked against you.
So today I re-qualified with the retirees, but I can’t submit my re-qual score as a retired LEO due to my official retirement date is at the end of December. Sounds confusing, doesn’t it.:confused:
Not to fear. The instructor today is a retired Captain from my department and the Sargent that runs the range is a good friend that I worked the streets with years ago.
They just transferred my score to the department roster and everything is good.:)
Now I bet some of you are wondering how good can a person like me shoot. The minimum score for post is 98 out of 120, with 60 rounds fired. I fired a 117 today. I only dropped 3 points at the 25 yard line.
I used my Glock 17 Gen4 to qualify.
View attachment 954407

I a-tribute my score to practice. I try to shoot no less then once a week. Most often this is done with a 22 pistol. I find having the Glock 44 to train with a big plus.
One should never give up and always push themselves no matter if the odds are stacked against you.
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Congratulations!
 
GunnyUSMC said:
Our older generations were made of stronger men. There wasn’t someone handing out free rides just because you had some type of disability. Adapt, improvise and overcome.
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With covid-19, I've been job hunting after the trade show industry died and having not had to job hunt for the better part of a decade I found something interesting on a job app.
The usual questions about being a veteran. But also, questions about disability and needing reasonable accommodation. While I'm fortunate that these don't apply, it got me thinking about how that might appear to an employer.
If I had a disability of some kind that wasn't outwardly visible, I don't think I'd ever mention it for fear of being passed over in favor of a applicant who didn't have one. I know discrimination is illegal, but its also nearly impossible to prove.
 
With the economy like it is, being retired is the safest place to live! No layoffs. Aren't social security and IRA's just lovely?
I beat you to retirement by 18 years Gunny, you will love the retired life. Keep busy and enjoy. Great shootin' too!
 
Ivy Mike said:
With covid-19, I've been job hunting after the trade show industry died and having not had to job hunt for the better part of a decade I found something interesting on a job app.
The usual questions about being a veteran. But also, questions about disability and needing reasonable accommodation. While I'm fortunate that these don't apply, it got me thinking about how that might appear to an employer.
If I had a disability of some kind that wasn't outwardly visible, I don't think I'd ever mention it for fear of being passed over in favor of a applicant who didn't have one. I know discrimination is illegal, but its also nearly impossible to prove.
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I know this is off topic but I can tell you (since I work in HR) that this is driven by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Employers have to ask and provide reasonable accommodation; for example, if you can't stand to perform the job could the employer provide you a stool instead to sit on. Also, there are situations where someone cannot be accommodated; for example, working in a job that requires you to be able to discern colors (think electrician, painter, etc.) but the applicant is color blind; that isn't able to be accommodated. This is all because we live in a litigious society and believe me I understand your trepidation in mentioning a disability (as others are I am sure).

And again, off topic I know but some of us (me especially) aren't quite sure we will ever retire. My 401k took a gigantic dump earlier this year and isn't making money (and my company used Covid to give me a 20% pay cut and stop matching). Good times. And working in healthcare scares me even more because of the specter of socialized medicine; having family in Finland and a Canadian ex-wife I know socialized medicine isn't what it is cracked up to be; many of us would lose our jobs not to mention the quality of care would suffer (think long lines and rationing).

On a positive note: great shooting Gunny! :thumbup:
 
Well done!

I, too qualify retirees on a regular basis for their 5-year retirement ccw renewals and LEOSA ID cards for our agency. I like doing it, as it’s a way to reconnect with people who moved on and rarely stay in touch. :)

You shot very well, congrats! :thumbup:

The course I put together for retirees is 30 shots: 5 shots @10 yds, 10@ 7, 5@5 strong/ 5@5 weak, 5@3 failure drill 2x2x1 (2 body, 2 head, 1 body.) pass is 80%, (240/300) about the same as yours (96/120) . We use the B-27 scoring targets, I chose the blue with a red 10-ring ones with the FBI “bottle” shape superimposed.

I kept all qual target images in a folder created for each person. Should we get sued and/or have records subpoenaed I have the qual targets and course of fire on file for our counsel ;).

This is one from a recent qual shot with an LC9:

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It’s funny how many guys stress over the 5 weak hand shots, yet every one concentrates and often shoot them better than with the strong hand ;)

You’re on a great trajectory; you’ve fought a lot of battles and have come out alive and kicking! All of my retired friends have told me once all is settled and you’re officially retired the doors to do new things open up and your stress level will drop a ton ;).

Stay safe.
 
H&R Glock said:
With the economy like it is, being retired is the safest place to live! No layoffs. Aren't social security and IRA's just lovely?
I beat you to retirement by 18 years Gunny, you will love the retired life. Keep busy and enjoy. Great shootin' too!
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My daughter started to get in the habit of getting me to do things for her. They all started of with a text or phone call, asking what was I doing. When I would say ‘nothing’, she would then ask me to do whatever.
After a while I sent her this text.
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Doing Nothing
When you ask me what I am doing today, and I say "nothing," it does not mean I am free. It means I am doing nothing.
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She doesn’t call me as much anymore. :rofl:


Riomouse911 said:
Well done!

I, too qualify retirees on a regular basis for their 5-year retirement ccw renewals and LEOSA ID cards for our agency. I like doing it, as it’s a way to reconnect with people who moved on and rarely stay in touch. :)

You shot very well, congrats! :thumbup:

The course I put together for retirees is 30 shots: 5 shots @10 yds, 10@ 7, 5@5 strong/ 5@5 weak, 5@3 failure drill 2x2x1 (2 body, 2 head, 1 body.) pass is 80%, (240/300) about the same as yours (96/120) . We use the B-27 scoring targets, I chose the blue with a red 10-ring ones with the FBI “bottle” shape superimposed.

I kept all qual target images in a folder created for each person. Should we get sued and/or have records subpoenaed I have the qual targets and course of fire on file for our counsel ;).

This is one from a recent qual shot with an LC9:

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It’s funny how many guys stress over the 5 weak hand shots, yet every one concentrates and often shoot them better than with the strong hand ;)

You’re on a great trajectory; you’ve fought a lot of battles and have come out alive and kicking! All of my retired friends have told me once all is settled and you’re officially retired the doors to do new things open up and your stress level will drop a ton ;).

Stay safe.
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Retirees have to fire the same State POST course as all other active LEOs in the state. Here’s a pots I did on it a couple of years ago.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/louisiana-post-pistol-course.844164/

There are some retirees that have trouble shooting the course. I’ve heard stories of some that have trouble hitting the target.
There was about 12 of us shooting and the guy to my left shot six rounds at 25 yards on to my target. We had to wait for the others to finish the course and then the other guy and me shot our course. I made sure that there were several targets between us.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
My daughter started to get in the habit of getting me to do things for her. They all started of with a text or phone call, asking what was I doing. When I would say ‘nothing’, she would then ask me to do whatever.
After a while I sent her this text.
===========
Doing Nothing
When you ask me what I am doing today, and I say "nothing," it does not mean I am free. It means I am doing nothing.
============
She doesn’t call me as much anymore. :rofl:



Retirees have to fire the same State POST course as all other active LEOs in the state. Here’s a pots I did on it a couple of years ago.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/louisiana-post-pistol-course.844164/

There are some retirees that have trouble shooting the course. I’ve heard stories of some that have trouble hitting the target.
There was about 12 of us shooting and the guy to my left shot six rounds at 25 yards on to my target. We had to wait for the others to finish the course and then the other guy and me shot our course. I made sure that there were several targets between us.
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Yowch! That’s scary.

The guy who shot this target just hit 70 and kept worrying he wouldn’t qualify. He shot this and one with a S&W Model 36 and was able to pass with both (36 was close.)

He told me afterwards that he almost didn’t re-up his ID card, but the events of the year changed his mind. He then said this was his last qual, as he didn’t think he would still be interested in a ccw at 75. I told him to keep shooting when he can and stay proficient, you don’t want to shut doors early because you just never know what tomorrow will bring.

Congratulations on closing out a wonderful career, and wishing you the best of luck as you enter an enjoyable new phase in your life :thumbup:.

Stay safe.
 
I retired Dec 31, 2015. Actually, just went to work for a new boss (see wife). More benevolent, and she has learned not to micro manage. Most meetings are at the dinner table. No salary renegotiations, there's only so much, and we know where it has to go.

I just cleaned the garage of 30 yrs of accumulated stuff I saved just in case, but so far never used. Now I have room to put together my woodworking bench that is still in its box from 20 yrs ago. Yup, "real" retirement you will enjoy.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I’m in a strange part at the end of my career. I’m retired, but not retire. I’ve been on sick leave since May. Last month I finished all of my paperwork and got my retirement ID, but I’m still burning time on the books. My official retirement date is December 31st.
Here’s were the problem came up. I did all my retirement paperwork in October and my POST re-qualification is in November. As a retired officer I have to re-qualify POST every year to be able to carry concealed in all 50 states.
I wasn’t able to re-qualify this month with the department due to having my retirement paperwork done and being on sick leave.
And then There’s the fact that I have a lot of nerve damage in my right arm, shoulder, neck and face. I have muscle spasms in my right shoulder almost 24-7. This is due to residual effects from radiation treatments. Life has been fun.:D
You just got to love it when the odds are stacked against you.
So today I re-qualified with the retirees, but I can’t submit my re-qual score as a retired LEO due to my official retirement date is at the end of December. Sounds confusing, doesn’t it.:confused:
Not to fear. The instructor today is a retired Captain from my department and the Sargent that runs the range is a good friend that I worked the streets with years ago.
They just transferred my score to the department roster and everything is good.:)
Now I bet some of you are wondering how good can a person like me shoot. The minimum score for post is 98 out of 120, with 60 rounds fired. I fired a 117 today. I only dropped 3 points at the 25 yard line.
I used my Glock 17 Gen4 to qualify.
View attachment 954407

I a-tribute my score to practice. I try to shoot no less then once a week. Most often this is done with a 22 pistol. I find having the Glock 44 to train with a big plus.
One should never give up and always push themselves no matter if the odds are stacked against you.
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I am not quite where you are in life yet, but gaining on it fast. Two things life has taught me, 1. You don’t grow old by being stupid. 2. Never, ever bet against the old man, because he didn’t get old because he was stupid.
 
I'm 72. Retired from the P D in 1990, Did another 18 year as a nurse. Since 08 I work 4 hours a day in a gun store and then do whatever I want as the job money is disposable not budget money. If I don't feel like doing something I don't. If I feel like it I do.
The biggest dilemma is fitting in nap time between range visits and other fun stuff!
 
My radiation didn't help my shooting much, either.

Seems like there's always one more way to skin a cat. :)
 
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