Decocker/manual safety or striker for CCW

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I now carry a sig p365 w/o safety. I consider that safe but would like to get a CZ rami. I can get the decocker which most of u know will lower the hammer 1/2 way down which then makes it a short dbl action pull. Not much unlike the p365. Or get the Rami with the manual safety. Then it can be carried cocked and locked. Or you can manually decock it. I would do this normally only at the range before heading home.
I know many or against manually decocking. But if done safely at the range then I would maintain the ability to carry condition 1 or decocked.
Obviously I would have to train for both and then make a decision on just how I would carry it.
So give me your rebuttals!!
 
I think that making a decision on which handgun to carry based on whether it's got a safety, de-cocker, or it's striker-fired is making a decision on a minor point.
 
I can appreciate that it may be a minor point for you. But for me it’s it’s not minor.
 
Decocker for me, I transitioned to p365 from p22x series about a year after p365 came out:

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First, I would pick a Glock but within the framework of your question "Rami, decocker or manual safety?"

I think RAMIs are clunky and I would prefer a PCR.

That said, I would go with the manual safety and manually decock it. That way you have the option to carry decocked or in condition 1.

FWIW my RAMI had the eye in the hammer. When I manually decocked it I put a small screwdriver through the eye and use it like a T-handle to lower the hammer
 
Not a big decocker guy... that's just me. I've shot a few over the years, including some pistols I really wanted to like... but I 1) shoot thumb-over-safety, and you could see where that might be a problem... and, 2) I don't like the typical terrible DA/SA trigger most of those type pistols have.

I carry a Kahr as my EDC... no safety, no decocker, just a long but smooth trigger.
 
CZ won me over to the decocker. It's the semi auto version of a revolver, what's not to like? In my opinion a bad first pull taken under duress is going to be unnoticed under duress, and eliminates the possibility that you flub sweeping the safety. You might be actively engaged when you pull that sidearm, make it as easy as possible to do what needs to be done.
 
Most striker guns have triggers that possess insufficient weight and/or too short of stroke for carrying safely.

My preference is a something like the P239 with full decocker or the P290 with a DAO system. I wish the CZ decocker was a full decocker and not a half decocker.
 
I'm not going to choose a gun without a decocker, that I intend to carry with the hammer down.

If it's a DA/SA gun, I prefer decockers. On the other hand, I don't have a problem with single action autos carried in Condition 1 with the hammer cocked and the safety engaged. I'm a big 1911 fan, but I pretty much never put the gun into Condition 2 (round chambered, hammer down).

I wouldn't choose a striker fired gun, but if that's what you prefer and are used to, you should probably stay with that.
 
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.455_Hunter said:
I would agree on the P230/232, but on most of the others it's pretty close to full decock.
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Are you still talking about SIG's? I'm pretty sure the P220, P226, P228, P229, and P225 all drop the hammer to partial cock. SIG considers it a safety feature, as I'm sure CZ does.
 
JTQ said:
Are you still talking about SIG's? I'm pretty sure the P220, P226, P228, P229, and P225 all drop the hammer to partial cock.
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Fine- It is 3/4 or 7/8 decock, not full hammer resting on firing pin. The CZ version very much a 1/2 decock, which I don't find desirable.
 
.455_Hunter said:
Most striker guns have triggers that possess insufficient weight and/or too short of stroke for carrying safely.
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I've been carrying a striker gun privately and professionally since 2013. This includes several Tactical Pistol classes that required me to draw fire Andre holster multiple times under stress. Actually having to draw at work a couple of times. And just general getting in and out of a car slipping and falling and landing on my gun and other things like that. If what you say is true shouldn't I have blown my Tortugas off by now?
 
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Trunk Monkey said:
I've been carrying a striker gun privately and professionally since 2013. If what you say is true shouldn't I have blown my Tortugas off by now?
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It only has to happen once, kinda like not wearing your seatbelt and having a vehicle accident.

The OP asked for opinions, and I provided mine, which is just as valid as one provided by any other member, MOD or defensive talking head. I have 30 years of handgun carry experience, so I am not just another newbie spouting things he read on the internet.

Pretty much the only current striker I think is worthy of carry is the P99AS due the decocker and full weight/stroke trigger.
 
.455_Hunter said:
The OP asked for opinions, and I provided mine, which is just as valid as one provided by any other member, MOD or defensive talking head. I have 30 years of handgun carry experience, so I am not just another newbie spouting things he read on the internet.
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Not all opinions are equally valid. My opinion on legal matters doesn't carry the same weight as Andrew Branca's

If you've never actually carried a SFA handgun your opinion of them doesn't carry as much weight as mine and mine doesn't carry nearly the weight that a CSPD SWAT guy who has actually had to use his hand gun in a deadly force encounter.

There is a difference between walking around with a gun on your belt and experience.

True story bro
 
Trunk Monkey said:
Not all opinions are equally valid. My opinion on legal matters doesn't carry the same weight as Andrew Branca's

If you've never actually carried a SFA handgun your opinion of them doesn't carry as much weight as mine and mine doesn't carry nearly the weight that a CSPD SWAT guy who has actually had to use his hand gun in a deadly force encounter.

There is a difference between walking around with a gun on your belt and experience.

True story bro
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Yeah- My first exposure to striker guns was a Gen 1 G17, so yeah, I know plenty about them, both design, engineering and function.

They are a fundamentally unsafe platform, and I don't really care about "well, I have carried mine for blah, blah years" counter point. I carried a M9 on active duty and saw first hand why full stroke and full weight triggers were important, but yeah, I don't have a YouTube channel, run a training course, or write for gun media outlets.

Here comes old .455_Hunter, offering a dissenting opinion on the striker love parade. If we are quiet, maybe he will go away...

 
.455_Hunter said:
Yeah- My first exposure to striker guns was a Gen 1 G17, so yeah, I know plenty about them, both design, engineering and function.

They are a fundamentally unsafe platform, and I don't really care about "well, I have carried mine for blah, blah years" counter point. I carried a M9 on active duty and saw first hand why full stroke and full weight triggers were important, but yeah, I don't have a YouTube channel, run a training course, or write for gun media outlets.

Here comes old .455_Hunter, offering a dissenting opinion on the striker love parade. If we are quiet, maybe he will go away...
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I'm going to continue to carry my glock. As long as you don't talk to my wife and Walmart I don't care what you do.

1 point of order though, I didn't just carry mine
 
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Imo, a striker-fired pistol without a safety is akin to carrying a 1911 pistol in "condition one" with the safety off, albeit with it having a slightly heavier trigger pull; not necessarily "unsafe" but a very unforgiving configuration if you ask me. Before carrying such a design, I would require a grip safety (ala Springfield) at the minimum.
 
I’m surprised I haven’t had many responses on the fact that I’m considering the Rami with the manual safety that only engages with The hammer back, and then training to see if I’m going to carry it in cond 1 or manually decock it. Which most would probably consider unsafe. But then some consider a striker fired pistol w/o a safety unsafe.
 
After thinking more about this. If majority considers a striker unsafe then a decocker is unsafe for the same reason. Only a manual safety is really safe then. Because why would a decocked pistol with maybe a slightly longer pull (maybe the same pull). be any safer than a striker???
 
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