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Does that mean vista now makes every primer in America, or is federal still independent?

After declaring bankruptcy, Remington Outdoors, America's oldest gun maker is no more. It was sold off to the following: Vista Outdoor Inc. bought the Lonoke based ammunitions business and other IP assets Roundhill Group LLC bought everything firearms that is non-Marlin Sierra Bullets LLC bought Barnes ammunitions Sturm, Ruger, & Co. bought Marlin firearms JJE Capital Holdings LLC won DPMS, H&R, Stormlake, AAC and Parker brands Franklin Armory Holdings Inc. won Bushmaster brand and some related assets Sportsman’s Warehouse Inc. won the Tapco brands
 
Primer companies:

CCI
Federal
Winchester
S&B
Wolf
Remington
Armscor
CBC - Brazil

I’m sure there’s tons more, but American primer companies are starting to get incestuous
 
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mcb said:
As @George P said Federal is owned by Vista outdoors. Winchester is the only independent US manufacture of primers that is not owned by Vista. Winchester Ammunition is owned by Olin.
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Knew we were getting close. I dont believe they have consolidated any of the production which would make things worse imo.
 
I thought S+B stopped importing, and I haven't seen any new Wolf/Tula primers at major places in years, so that cuts a couple off the list.:(
 
I like your spelling @AJC1 !

It makes it look like Remington is populated by lemmings that en masse jump off cliffs then swim out to sea and die every so often.

"Remmington" = lemming town?:)
 
Whoever is making primers, they are not making enough. Large pistol and rifle primers are sometimes available, but small pistol an rifle primers have not been there at my local components stores lately.
 
Snidely70431 said:
Whoever is making primers, they are not making enough. Large pistol and rifle primers are sometimes available, but small pistol an rifle primers have not been there at my local components stores lately.
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Primer/ammunition manufacturers make more money selling complete ammo than components so primer production is always prioritized for ammo production and only once ammo production is sufficient supplied does the component market start to get filled. With the current run on ammo it is going to be awhile before the primer supply chain returns to normal.
 
mcb said:
Primer/ammunition manufacturers make more money selling complete ammo than components so primer production is always prioritized for ammo production and only once ammo production is sufficient supplied does the component market start to get filled. With the current run on ammo it is going to be awhile before the primer supply chain returns to normal.
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I was hoping that someone like alliant that did not make ammunition would gets some capacity
 
After the debacle of 2016, NO manufacturer is going to invest in adding capacity and then have the demand implode so things will be in short supply for a while (about a year or more)
 
mcb said:
Primer/ammunition manufacturers make more money selling complete ammo than components so primer production is always prioritized for ammo production and only once ammo production is sufficient supplied does the component market start to get filled. With the current run on ammo it is going to be awhile before the primer supply chain returns to normal.
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Yup- the fact that there are shooters who "don't shoot factory ammo", have "mandatory training regimens requiring 200 rounds per week" and "need primers now at normal price" doesn't matter to the manufacturers.
 
CQB45ACP said:
What was the debacle of 2016?
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What rock were you under. The gun and ammo manufacture had the supply pipeline full expecting an Clinton victory and an a renewed round of panic buying. But Trump won and after 8 years of Obama induced panic buying the market was tapped out of expendable funds and the supply pipeline was jammed full. A lot of little gun companies (and one big one) went out of business and we all saw some amazing deals on guns and ammo for the next three years until Covid-19 and social unrest caused the current shortages we are experiencing.
 
CQB45ACP said:
What was the debacle of 2016?
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Manufacturers added additional shifts and employees along with expanding production capabilities in 2016 to keep up with the high demand for everything ammo and firearm related. And when Trump won the election, the demand died down drastically. That caused a flood of excess on the market and manufacturers had to cut back production along with lay employees off. That is why prices have stayed low from 2017 until the beginning of this year.

I know there is more to it that I didn't mention but this is what happened in a nut shell.
 
mcb said:
What rock were you under. The gun and ammo manufacture had the supply pipeline full expecting an Clinton victory and an a renewed round of panic buying. But Trump won and after 8 years of Obama induced panic buying the market was tapped out of expendable funds and the supply pipeline was jammed full. A lot of little gun companies (and one big one) went out of business and we all saw some amazing deals on guns and ammo for the next three years until Covid-19 and social unrest caused the current shortages we are experiencing.
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Oh, debacle for them. Wasn’t a debacle for me at all—I was shooting and buying ammo and guns before, during, and after the so-called debacle.
 
There is no actual solution at hand.

When, and if, supplies open up, people are going to purchase 20,000 primers instead of 2,000 or whatever lower number they were used to OR wholesalers will buy ten of millions and release when they see what the market for the product is going, OR a lot worse things that may be on the horizon. It is beyond your control and mine.

It is the same with toilet paper over the last few weeks. Remember what happened to the supply back in March? Guess what? It has happened again this month.
 
fotheringill said:
There is no actual solution at hand.

When, and if, supplies open up, people are going to purchase 20,000 primers instead of 2,000 or whatever lower number they were used to OR wholesalers will buy ten of millions and release when they see what the market for the product is going, OR a lot worse things that may be on the horizon. It is beyond your control and mine.

It is the same with toilet paper over the last few weeks. Remember what happened to the supply back in March? Guess what? It has happened again this month.
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Yes, that’s what I call the post panic panic or the pre next panic panic—“I’m never going to let that happen to me again so I’m stocking up now.”

I bought two four-packs of TP this morning...decided to leave some for the brethren.
 
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