Anyone leave the trigger guard on their slip guns?

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It might help if people knew what a "SlipGun" was. It's a pretty archaic term.

slip gun
noun

Definition of slip gun
: a single-action revolver having its trigger tied down or so altered that the piece may be fired by retracting the hammer and allowing it to fall
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip gun

“Recently the late John Newman of Seattle, Washington, and Elmer Keith of Weiser, Idaho, have given prominence to what is known as ‘slip shooting’ with the .45 Single Action Army. The gun is converted into a ‘slip hammer’ revolver by altering the hammer, taking off the hammer spur entirely and substituting for it a short peg projecting to the rear and lower down on the hammer than the conventional hammer spur. The trigger is preferably removed altogether and sometimes the triggerguard itself is also removed. The gun like this can be fired rapidly and accurately by simply drawing the hammer back with the right thumb and then, when it is ready to fire, allowing the handle of the ‘slip hammer’ to escape from under the thumb. The speed with which this can be accomplished is shown by the fact that John Newman has been known to throw a tin can in the air and put four shots into it with his ‘slip hammer’ Colt before it hit the ground.”

https://gunsmagazine.com/handguns/the-croft-keith-slip-gun/
 
I'd just as soon find a gun dimensioned for my hands. I admit to trouble getting my finger in the guard on my 642 and LC9, but no issue on K, L, and mid- or full-sized autos.

A gun with a cut-down guard is like a car with a trans-brake button on the steering wheel: awesome on the track, not a great idea in traffic.
 
I was not aware there was a big argument about trigger guards on Slip Guns that needed to be settled.

The article you show mentions "FitzGerald of Colt's". This is a reference to long time Colt employee John Henry Fitz Gerald. Fitz Gerald was well known to modify standard Colt revolvers by shortening barrels to 2 inches, cutting off the front of the trigger guard, bobbing the hammer, and modifying the grip frame. These revolvers were known as Fitz Specials, not Slip Guns.

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If the trigger is removed, in the creation of the slip gun, then I reckon that there is no particular reason to leave the trigger guard unaltered, other than to preserve the ability to restore the weapon to normal function. Let’s keep in mind that the grip frame parts are individually fitted to the main part of the frame, so installing a replacement grip frame is not a simple bolt-on proposition. It may be more expedient to repair the trigger guard, by welding, than to fit a replacement grip frame part. Either way, it would be a project best done by a true gunsmith, not one’s local armorer or parts-changer.

I believe that slip-shooting has its place, so will not cast stones at dedicated slip guns, but if a too-small trigger guard were to vex me, I might rather have a talented ‘smith cut, re-shape, weld added material into place, and re-finish a larger trigger guard. ;)
 
New to me. Interesting

the only gun that I own that has a more atypical trigger guard is my Sig553p. That trigger guard rotates out of the way for glove use (from factory).
 
Can we all agree that no trigger guards on your slip gun is a settled issue?

Well , if the trigger has been eliminated , what's the difference if the trigger guard is gone too?

"....on your slip gun..."
Not mine. Don't want that configuration , not ever.
How on earth is the shooter to maintain a stable grip while using the thumb of the shooting hand to draw back the peg that has replaced the hammer spur? I am sure that there are a few who have mastered this technique ; the Wallenda family has mastered walking the tightrope , too.
Risky business , both.
 
Is bet that there are not fifteen "slip gun" owners much less users in HR. Way back in the early sixties when I read Sixguns I thought the idea was a little screwey. I'll take traditional da or say myself. To each his own.
 
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5 decades fooling around with guns and such and Ive never heard the term “slip gun” until now. My something new learn for the month.
 
I have encountered a few "Slip Guns". It was many years ago. I do not recall the trigger guards being removed, but I have a feeling these guns were made into "slip guns" because of necessity due to lack of funding to have proper repairs done. This was in the late 60's early & 70's when I was a kid and my dad ran with some pretty shady fellas.
 
I have been tossing around building a slip gun for quite sometime now. After handling different guns I’ve come to the decision that a 1851 Navy would be my victim to attack. It would for sure be a trigger less with the front 2/3 of the trigger guard removed. I would try to build the hammer spur so it would work well in both one handed and two handed shooting and probably two handed shooting most of the time as it is much faster. It seems odd to me that some people would suggest that you are trying to replace the double action revolver with a slip gun instead of appreciating it’s historic value.
 
I have been tossing around building a slip gun for quite sometime now. After handling different guns I’ve come to the decision that a 1851 Navy would be my victim to attack. It would for sure be a trigger less with the front 2/3 of the trigger guard removed. I would try to build the hammer spur so it would work well in both one handed and two handed shooting and probably two handed shooting most of the time as it is much faster. It seems odd to me that some people would suggest that you are trying to replace the double action revolver with a slip gun instead of appreciating it’s historic value.

The hammer spur needs to be either for slip shooting or for the new thumb fanning style. For slip shooting, the hammer spur needs to be low and smooth, while thumbing with the off-hand the spur needs to be higher and hooked. The hammer spur is not compatible for both styles of shooting.

Bob Wright
 
I can just see myself shoving it in my pocket and shooting off my big toe. Heck, I have enough problems just getting my keys in and out.
 
Bear in mind that some shooters left the rear "stub" of the trigger guard in place. This to sort of balance out the grip.

The only true slip gun I've ever handled was an ancient and beat-to-hell SAA which had the hammer spur cut off and replaced with a steel pin. The pin had been crudely filed into the shape that the original owner apparently wanted, and the trigger removed. The trigger guard was also removed except for that little stub on the back, which had also been filed into a shape which appeared to be meant as a place for the trigger finger to grip the gun.

The gun was a complete mess from top to bottom, but as the current owner of the gun pointed out, it still worked. There's something to be said for that - but I had no interest in trying to shoot the thing, let alone carry it as a defensive weapon!
 
At any rate, I wonder where the quote in the OP came from. It seems to me that Keith often referred to a "John Neuman" in his writings, including Sixguns by Keith. I recall a fairly in-depth treatment of Neuman slip guns in that book, and am surprised that the only picture I can find of one of them comes from an airgun review.

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<edit> Nope. Turns out I'm just losing my mind. Googling for "Newman slip gun" turns up all sorts of pictures.
 
This is just like the guys who "customized" their Harleys back in the '40s and '50s by removing the entire front brake assembly "to make it go faster". Sounds good right? Go watch Miculek shoot and see what a stock gun can do first. I have.
 
I admit I am a serious fan of single action revolvers. That being the case this slip gun idea strikes me as a waste of a perfectly good SA. We are still free to do what ever we want, at least for a few months more, so the OP can do what ever he wishes. I have no interest in it and won't be following this thread any further. I know...you won't miss me a bit.

Dave
 
“This is just like the guys who "customized" their Harleys back in the '40s and '50s by removing the entire front brake assembly "to make it go faster". Sounds good right? Go watch Miculek shoot and see what a stock gun can do first. I have.”

I guess that I’ve must have missed the post where someone talked about trying to make a historical weapon that was used as early as the mid 1850’s outrun Jerry Miculek with his highly modified and tuned race guns. I know that along with the Snow Flake movement in this country there’s been a lack of respect for our history across the board but I didn’t expect it in the gun community quite this fast yet.
 
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