Called Remington Ammo Plant in Lonoke AR today for Update

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rust collector said:
Just notice a new Vista video dropped yesterday.
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Yeah, well OK, but...
If all of the primer manufacturing is going for ammunition manufacturing, then my question is why is there no ammuntion in any gun store anywhere in southcentral Pennsylvania???
The local shops tell me they can get basically nothing other than a few boxes of whatever ammunition the manufacturers happen to send them. Orders go unfilled for months and months according to the shops.

The manufacturers can't tell me there are no primers because they are going for ammunition manufacturing and then not ship ammunition to the dealers.

Personally, I don't care about loaded ammunition...other than rimfire or shotgun shells, I don't buy more than a box or two of factory ammunition most years. I reload just about every handgun and rifle round that my son and I shoot...and we shoot thousands per month.
 
One thing that isn't immediately apparent is that over the last few years, ammo sales were slow so output was throttled to cut losses. It just isn't smart to build huge stockpiles, because storage space costs money, chemicals age, money is tied up in commodities and no one anticipated the perfect storm that occurred. When half your work force is out sick or under quarantine, it's tough to ramp up production. In the case of Remington, suppliers were wary and borrowing money to pay them probably wasn't easy.

I'm pretty sure Vista would like to produce all the ammo it could sell, but it is not easy to throttle back when the boom is over and overproduction as in recent years depresses profits. Lots of ammunition is going to dealers but is under contract with the big retailers, is swept up and flipped by worthless $%#$, or is picked up by sports anxious to be able to shoot again. If an administration wanted to kick our ammo manufacturers when they were down, it would reopen Chinese and Russian ammo and component imports.
 
rust collector said:
If an administration wanted to kick our ammo manufacturers when they were down, it would reopen Chinese and Russian ammo and component imports.
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How about just the European primer makers?;)

I certainly don’t want to kick CCI at any time, but I like out of the ordinary cartridges, the first ones to go and the last to come back. Thus I handload exclusively.
“ I don’t want to sound like I need a fix, but, I do! I’m out. I had no idea, my bad. You know, it happens. And I gotta go shoot. I just need some primers, man! Just a couple hundred! You need a car?! I have a car! Their good primers, right? I’ll give you a car for these primers!”:D

While I am 110% behind CCI and American production, the consumer needs a bit of relief too.

Absolutely not to the benefit of China, nor Russia however!
I wanna to shoot, but I’m not goin’ to suc, AHEM!
I meant to say, China may stuff it. Russia may as well.
Eley makes primers, yes? Where are those? May we not buy those?

A hard spot for sure. I wanted humans to like firearms and shooting, I didn’t fathom they would value them even higher than I do...:eek::D
 
I was talking with a fellow club member yesterday and he mentioned a story he heard about primer and powder producers working on both that have a short shelf life to deter stockpiling of components during hard times. Unless forced, why would any manufacturer be willing to do that?

Bill
 
BCR#1 said:
I was talking with a fellow club member yesterday and he mentioned a story he heard about primer and powder producers working on both that have a short shelf life to deter stockpiling of components during hard times. Unless forced, why would any manufacturer be willing to do that?

Bill
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Talk is cheap. We've seen plenty of fakes news these last few years. What would be any different now? ;)
 
BCR#1 said:
I was talking with a fellow club member yesterday and he mentioned a story he heard about primer and powder producers working on both that have a short shelf life to deter stockpiling of components during hard times. Unless forced, why would any manufacturer be willing to do that?

Bill
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Was he wearing a foil hat when he told you that?
 
I think the simple answer is that ammo manufacturers are running 24/7. Ammo sales were an all-time record last year. Record amounts are being distributed to stores and it is being bought the second it hits the shelves. We will never be able to manufacture our way out of it. This is a classic panic buying spiral. The empty shelves and insane prices will never end until people simply stop panic buying ammo.
 
lightman said:
I did not think to ask him about the transition. I know that their parking lot was nearly vacant during and around Christmas but I don't know the reason. He did say that they are hiring and eventually will add 300 or so more jobs.
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Back when one of my uncles and a couple cousins worked the plant there was a maintenance stand down starting the week before Christmas, ending the week after New Years.
 
MAKster said:
I think the simple answer is that ammo manufacturers are running 24/7. Ammo sales were an all-time record last year. Record amounts are being distributed to stores and it is being bought the second it hits the shelves. We will never be able to manufacture our way out of it. This is a classic panic buying spiral. The empty shelves and insane prices will never end until people simply stop panic buying ammo.
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I would amend that to "stop panic buying ammo on GB." When sellers stop getting 3X the retail price out of bidders, the ammo will find its way back to the shelves.
 
mshootnit said:
I would amend that to "stop panic buying ammo on GB."
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Agreed! I have bid (and won) primers on GB recently; they were at my set bid amount, and I refused to go any higher than $15/100. Of course that's almost 3x the price they ought to be. Regardless, I wish people would just calm down and sit down. No sense in setting our hair on fire just because we think the sky's falling. Regardless, it's great that ammo is starting to actually move more. I actually noticed some new Remington on a local store shelf over the weekend. It was very surprising, and gone very quickly.

Mac
 
mshootnit said:
I would amend that to "stop panic buying ammo on GB." When sellers stop getting 3X the retail price out of bidders, the ammo will find its way back to the shelves.
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Amen, people, stop buying this stuff, please! It just feeds and prolongs the shortage. The simple truth, we are the cause, stop buying the stuff. And all the old men who circulate among every retail outlet in troops will go back to their Lazyboy chairs.
 
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