Pending/possible gun legislation

At this point anything is a just guess when it comes to Federal legislation. I don't think the new administration has said anything regarding gun control, so I take that as a good sign. There are much larger priorities that they seem to be focused on for the time being.

My guess is nothing substantial will get passed in the next 2 years. AWB's or magazine limits will require a larger majority than the current setup. Any push will be for some of the more "moderate" items like red flag laws or trying to create some sort of universal background check system. Any UBC system will end being a debacle and red flag laws will end up being abused more than having any positive effect, but those seem like the most likely items that could be pushed as "reasonable gun control".

Various ATF regulations could come about like we've seen with bump stocks, and the attempted bans of green tip 5.56 "pistol" ammo and pistol braces. I'm not sure if those issues can be brought up again or what else is on their radar. I'm sure they've got a whole list of things that they could attempt.

The vice president seems to think the importation of "assaults weapons" can be banned via executive order so that's kind of wild card IMO.

Hopefully none of that is too political...

I think it is incredible important to keep a watchful eye, but think there is a tremendous amount of misinformation and doom and gloom with what might happen. Our legislatures can propose anything they like. Until it is actually in bill form, presented before the House, there is no way to know what is going to be put forth. I'm more of a sit back and get concerned when it happens. Not in anticipation of. You can't do anything about it if it might happen. Only once it does.

IBTL

Who knows what tomorrow may bring.

Stay safe.

Jeff H said:

Agreed, and we don't really discuss gloom and doom what might happen on this forum too much. Those threads don't really end well. That is why I was trying to keep this thread focused on what is likely, if anything, to get real traction.

One good thing for our cause, with Covid on the scene and most schools being remote, there has been no school shootings. That always creates a hot political mess. So that is positive at least.

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Sadly, I also become quite jaded. Every year we see some potentially positive legislation proposed in NJ, and it always falls flat. I do know that our Governor proposed an ammunition tax at the end of 2020, and it failed. I think he's going to skip doing that this year, as it is an election year, and he is losing ground. We'll see what happens after the election, though.

These guys are most excellent at keeping us apprised of the legislative efforts (on BOTH sides) here in Arizona.

I should think that GOA or someone other than the NRA must reach AZCDL's level federally and factually with information on how to be directly involved.

https://azcdl.org

I hope folk can remain dispassionately informative that the thread stays open.


Todd.

No news is good news

Considering statements made while campaigning, as well as significant donations to the campaign, I don't think we're off the hook.
Bigger fish? Back burner? Maybe, but anything right now is purely speculation. Its not going away though, just a lull. Don't get too comfy.

Learning from what happened to Gore’s campaign, along with the fact that Obama never even Risked Any major gun legislation...

...why would they now put all of their support into “one basket”?

Or....He would issue a truly Draconian anti- gun Executive Order
(remember-Obama knew that it would be far too risky to do a Canada ban on AKs, VZs, ARs,

and here probably Illegal and mostly unenforceable) and risk losing the House and/or the Senate in a few years?
...Americans want More Money in their pockets, and steady jobs, do they not?

Jeff H said:

I've heard from one of my left leaning friends that no one is talking about guns right now. There are bigger fish to fry right now with the economy and Covid that the Congress wasn't using their political capitol on guns.

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It is simply not true that "no one is talking about guns right now." It's being talked about at several levels, and reportedly, at the highest levels in the federal government. But truly, right now, the more immediate threat is legislation on the state level.

In my state, we've already had introduced several new, heinous bills in both the state house and senate such as (1) a ban on "assault weapons" -- read: all semi-automatic rifles and (2) a magazine capacity limit of 10 for all rifles and handguns. as well as (3) a ban on open carry in the state Capitol and in the legislature as well as other public places.

Why would any of us place any credence in what our "left-leaning friends" would be telling us? If we remember from the previous campaigns, the anti-faction has learned their lessons well, will be more stealthy and not give the advance warnings that allow the RKBA supporters to marshal arguments and gather support. From news stories I've read, many groups are already pressuring VP Harris to go forward with the plans that were articulated in the DNC platform.

Our hubris will be our downfall.

Old Dog: so true; with the stealthy tactics and long longer-term strategies created in a number of states.

But aren't there vast numbers of semi-auto rifles in some of the worst states (acquired years ago) which were private sales, where No background checks or official records were kept (whether weeks or longer)?
Even in the more obedient societies of Germany and Australia, huge numbers of rifles and handguns were never turned in. The estimate from inside Germany alone is described as tens of thousands? Trying now to get a friend from Germany to reply.

Jeff H said:

I've heard from one of my left leaning friends that no one is talking about guns right now. There are bigger fish to fry right now with the economy and Covid that the Congress wasn't using their political capitol on guns. If that's true, that is good news. It doesn't match what I hear and read from other news sources.

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Having a GREAT many wrong-headed family members and business associates, I can safely say that; *They* are never NOT talking about guns. They may have a distraction from time to time but it is never off the table along with the other big-three hot-button issues.

Todd.

Reddog81 has a good point. The President has broad authority to control imports. We may see some action there.

My take is that we are seeing a lot of political theater, more for show than for any benefit to the country. No telling what might happen in that environment.

I feel certain that we will not see an new AWB, at least not one that sticks. My read of the reasoning in the Heller case says that such a law would be unconstitutional.

Let tomorrow worry about itself. Prepare today and be ok tomorrow. Not much can be done. So get your ducks in a row today.

Step 1: Pack the Supreme Court with ideologically reliable justices, so that whatever else we do sticks.
Step 2: Make DC and Puerto Rico states to further cement our majority in perpetuity.
Step 3: Do whatever the hell we want. The deplorable half of the country will just suck it up if they know whats good for them....or else.

Optimism is COMPLETELY unjustified.

Only a matter of time before the Obama era style mass shootings start back up. Kinda odd isn’t it how during trumps 4 years the lunatics killing kids and stuff just kinda dropped off the map.

ApacheCoTodd: Apparently, when they "..are never Not talking about guns", I would hope that is because of your open invitation to go learn about gun safety, and trying a little plinking? Probably the opposite.

I have an acquaintance, originally from outer London, UK, who once flatly stated that he's a Democrat (I've never discussed politics with him).
But...he's not only a private FFL dealer, he also has the 'select-fire' MP5 and a true Chinese AKM , naturally with the tax stamps. I've tried both guns.

His political views--whatever they actually are--would seem to contradict his FFL and two select-fire guns?
* Feel free to mention his belief in "liberal" gun ownership and his general political preference to your family members and associates. I'm curious as to how, or Whether they would (know how to) comment at all.

Ignition Override said:

ApacheCoTodd: Apparently, when they "..are never Not talking about guns", I would hope that is because of your open invitation to go learn about gun safety, and trying a little plinking? Probably the opposite.

I have an acquaintance, originally from outer London, UK, who once flatly stated that he's a Democrat (I've never discussed politics with him).
But...he's not only a private FFL dealer, he also has the 'select-fire' MP5 and a true Chinese AKM , naturally with the tax stamps. I've tried both guns.

His political views--whatever they actually are--would seem to contradict his FFL and two select-fire guns?
* Feel free to mention his belief in "liberal" gun ownership and his general political preference to your family members and associates. I'm curious as to how, or Whether they would (know how to) comment at all.

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For the most part - their points of view are entirely informed by emotion and rote-responses. As such, they tend to be immune to reason or rational discourse.

Todd.

Ignition Override said:

ApacheCoTodd: Apparently, when they "..are never Not talking about guns", I would hope that is because of your open invitation to go learn about gun safety, and trying a little plinking? Probably the opposite.

I have an acquaintance, originally from outer London, UK, who once flatly stated that he's a Democrat (I've never discussed politics with him).
But...he's not only a private FFL dealer, he also has the 'select-fire' MP5 and a true Chinese AKM , naturally with the tax stamps. I've tried both guns.

His political views--whatever they actually are--would seem to contradict his FFL and two select-fire guns?
* Feel free to mention his belief in "liberal" gun ownership and his general political preference to your family members and associates. I'm curious as to how, or Whether they would (know how to) comment at all.

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I've known several people in Chicago who BOTH:

• Supported Chicago's unconstitutional handgun ban implemented through registration.
• ILLEGALLY possessed unregistered handguns within the city limits of Chicago.

Stupid people, stupid "ideas".

Old Dog said:

well, will be more stealthy and not give the advance warnings

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Ignition Override said:

Old Dog: so true; with the stealthy tactics and long longer-term strategies created in a number of states.

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I'm definitely more worried about diversionary tactics. The other big ticket concerns definitely have the spotlight right now, and that could well work against us.

Still, part of me feels like with the banner sales year and proof that a lot of people will pay ridiculous amounts of money for ammo, etc... the first effort will be to reap the financial benefits from increased taxes.

Once that cash cow is gone, look out.

The red flag laws worry me when “they” are the ones deciding how red your flag is. You bought ten guns last year and you don’t hunt? You bought how many cases of 9mm? You reload like the guy on Jack Reacher!?!?!??

What will be a red flag in the future?

Old Dog said:

It's being talked about at several levels, and reportedly, at the highest levels in the federal government. But truly, right now, the more immediate threat is legislation on the state level.

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Yeah, I breathed a sigh of relief in 2016 because I felt I could rest easy if not for a lil while with what I thought was going to be a legendary period of progress for gun owners, with a very friendly administration. Well I was pretty off on my assessment, last thing I was concerned about was a move at the state level seeing as we hadn't had any restrictions for centuries in our state..

Here in VT we ended up getting slapped silly with GCL in 2018 at the state level, Bump stock ban at the federal. I haven't gotten any GOA alerts that I know of, but when something starts a brewing, they usually do a good job of sending multiple alerts in search of donations.

I've braced myself, he seems to be out to prove he's a real ass kicker , hopefully whatever they bring up doesn't have the legs.

Deanimator said:

Optimism is COMPLETELY unjustified.

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^^^ This.
How anyone could take a look at what's been happening in the past few months (even if you only get your "news" off of Don Lemon's prostate gland), and then with the afterburners engaged since the afternoon of January 20, and say, "We just have to wait until the panic passes and the scalpers stop buying up all the ammo, just like the times before." just makes me think all the more that the opposition has pushed it over the top this time. 1st Amendment is toast. 2nd to follow. I'd LOVE to turn out to be wrong, but who the heck does anyone think is going to stop them???