Armed bystanders halt shooting spree that left 3 dead, including suspect, at Louisiana gun outlet

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Good job. Fortunately someone armed was there.



From the article:

"At this time, it appears a suspect shot two victims inside the location, then was engaged and shot outside the location by multiple other individuals," the sheriff's statement continued. "The suspect is one of the deceased on scene."



https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-orleans-shooting-near-airport



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Ugh....I hope the gunman was actively shooting at them when they took him out, otherwise this might go badly for the "bystanders".

On the other hand, it was Louisiana, so they might get medals.......
Being that it was Louisiana I’m wondering if they are going to give the Cajuns something in trade for the meat... I keep hearing that in Cajun country if it don’t eat you it gets et!
 
Curious to see if this guy is in the running for stupidest criminal; robbing a range and gun store.

Or, disgruntled employee gone postal.

Or, disgruntled customer.

In any case, quite nuts.

Todd.
Many years ago, we had a (now-defunct) local gun shop get robbed by a crackhead with a .357. The owner was caught cold and the only thing he had at hand was one of those .22 Magnum NAA mini-revolvers in his belt buckle (remember those?)- his shotgun and HiPower were out of reach.

Well, the shop owners 120lb German Shepherd on the floor wanted none of it, but the (normally quite friendly) 3lb Blue Macaw on his countertop perch reached out and took off a sizeable chunk of the robbers face, giving the proprietor enough of a diversion to draw and fire the NAA, killing the baddy.

The heroic avian wasnt harmed.:)

Ever after that, there was a sign on the front door reading, "Forget the Dog, Beware of Bird."
 
Many years ago, we had a (now-defunct) local gun shop get robbed by a crackhead with a .357. The owner was caught cold and the only thing he had at hand was one of those .22 Magnum NAA mini-revolvers in his belt buckle (remember those?)- his shotgun and HiPower were out of reach.

Well, the shop owners 120lb German Shepherd on the floor wanted none of it, but the (normally quite friendly) 3lb Blue Macaw on his countertop perch reached out and took off a sizeable chunk of the robbers face, giving the proprietor enough of a diversion to draw and fire the NAA, killing the baddy.

The heroic avian wasnt harmed.:)

Ever after that, there was a sign on the front door reading, "Forget the Dog, Beware of Bird."
Seems like a scene from a Tarentino movie.:D

Todd.
 
Ugh....I hope the gunman was actively shooting at them when they took him out, otherwise this might go badly for the "bystanders".

On the other hand, it was Louisiana, so they might get medals.......

I was living in New Orleans about 30 years ago when a particularly poignant vigilante-style killing occurred at the airport in Baton Rouge. An eleven year old boy had been kidnapped and raped by a felon, who for some reason didn't kill the kid. He fled to California where he was caught a few days later. The perp was extradited back to Louisiana, and as he was walking down the airport concourse -- with a deputy walking on either side of the man in handcuffs -- the boy's daddy suddenly turned from a phone booth (remember those?), produced a gun, and shot the perp in the head. He immediately dropped the gun and threw his hands up. He was arrested and was charged with manslaughter and plead guilty I think, and ended up getting a suspended sentence and never served any time. That's Lousiana Justice.
 
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My wife told me about this shooting. She used to live in New Orleans and was a frequent visitor to this particular gun store. What struck her as unusual is there are multiple checks going into the shop where firearms are either unloaded or made sure secured in a holster. An informal record is kept with the personnel of firearms and ammo going in and out so someone doesn't walk off without something new without paying. Reports that the shooter just walked in weapons drawn, are not sitting well for her.
 
Only one of the articles I have read tells that the perp entered the store gun in hand, and employees told him no loaded guns until you are in the range. At that point he started firing, and apparently some mix of employees and customers returned fire.
What we do not know is critical:
1. Any evidence about who the perp was and why he might have decided to attack the store. Was he targeting specific people?
2. Who shot who? The number of folks shot makes me suspect there were friendly fire casualties among the many shooters in the store. Rule #4, folks!
How tragic it would be if one or both of the non-perps killed were shot by other than the perp.

Craig
 
The will be interesting to watch and I hope it doesn't get closed subjectively.

For my part, I have a commercial relationship with one of the better *Guy Spa* ranges in the Valley here and it will be interesting to follow the La. incident - on THR in particular for a National concensus - relative to how the locals comport themselves.

Todd.
 
We can carry loaded at all of my stores. Holstered or slung. They might ask for slung rifles to be put in a case at some stores. But ccw and holstered pistols have never been a problem at any Ohio store that I've been to.

Not in the hands. Only mentioned, because it comes up a lot.
 
I live in Louisiana. We're hearing a lot of conflicting stuff about this; first the shooter was an old white guy, then a young black guy. I see they've now identified the shooter, https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_231194e6-740d-11eb-893c-bf26a7b81a52.html

Seems like the original reports are staying consistent- he went into the shop with a loaded gun (with an extended magazine), staff told him to disarm, and then he started shooting.
Sounds like the shooter's family is claiming that the staff murdered him, which honestly doesn't make sense. As I understand it, first victim was a guy working the counter.

Sadly, this sounds like they will try to twist it into something it wasn't.
 
I live in Louisiana. We're hearing a lot of conflicting stuff about this; first the shooter was an old white guy, then a young black guy. I see they've now identified the shooter, https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_231194e6-740d-11eb-893c-bf26a7b81a52.html

Seems like the original reports are staying consistent- he went into the shop with a loaded gun (with an extended magazine), staff told him to disarm, and then he started shooting.
Sounds like the shooter's family is claiming that the staff murdered him, which honestly doesn't make sense. As I understand it, first victim was a guy working the counter.

Sadly, this sounds like they will try to twist it into something it wasn't.
Sure, gun store employees murder customers for no reason all the time......smh.
 
We can carry loaded at all of my stores. Holstered or slung. They might ask for slung rifles to be put in a case at some stores. But ccw and holstered pistols have never been a problem at any Ohio store that I've been to.

Not in the hands. Only mentioned, because it comes up a lot.

That is how most stores in Alabama work as well. In a holster or case is fine. I have only been in one gun store that required holstered firearms to be cleared. They also did pat searches and metal detector scans at the door. The employees also carry empty firearms. I never went back there.
 
"It appears the people involved in the shooting may have been customers, employees or individuals at the location, he said."

Or, buttmonkeys from Mars for all that report knows. Proof that NO specific facts are necessary for *reporting* anymore. Well, unless the *fact-checkers* are sicced on the issue.:cuss:

Todd.
My take on the quote is that it wasn't a security guard or law enforcement that returned fire. YMMV

The guy had to be a lunatic to start shooting in a gun shop. Every gun store I've been to has employees that are armed to the teeth and appear to be generally well trained. Some every allow holstered weapons by customers as well.
 
There is a mass of info out there on this story.

Personally I've been following the ARF thread on this in which there are locals that are familiar with at least one of the victims and the situation overall.

Duo came into the front of store one of whom was carrying a loaded pistol in hand. When told thats not allowed said perp felt disrespected and things escalated. Perp shot two folks, one of whom was an employee and proceeded to leave. Two gentlemen teaching a CCW class nearby left the class and intercepted the shooter.

Word is 3 dead including the shooter.

Sad situation all around.
 
Although the information in this post was accurate based on reporting available when it was made, new information available demonstrates that much of it is actually incorrect.

I'm very interested if there's friendly fire casualties.
Possible, however this article quotes the Sheriff as saying that the two deceased persons were shot by the "initial shooter".
https://heavy.com/news/joshua-jamal-williams/
"We had one initial shooter at the scene, who hit two victims inside the location. Both of them have been pronounced deceased here at this location."​

The article indicates that besides the "initial shooter" and his two victims who are both deceased there were also two others shot who are currently in stable condition.

Good Ol' Boy's explanation goes along with the articles I have been able to find:

1. Joshua Jamal Williams walked in with his brother, apparently intending to use the shooting range. He was carrying an unholstered pistol with an extended magazine. It seems clear from the way events unfolded that the pistol was not just unholstered/uncased, but it was also loaded. One photograph of the crime scene shows a Glock with an extended magazine lying on an asphalt surface

2. Noah Fischbach (a clerk at the store) told Williams that it was not allowed to carry a pistol in that manner.

3. Williams apparently took offense and fired a "warning shot" then shot Fischbach, who died.

4. Williams killed a second person (Veronica Billot, 59), described as "a customer", who also expired. It's not clear at this time if she was killed while Williams was in the store or after he exited. Her body appears to be near the door in the photos of the crime scene, but that doesn't mean that's where she was when she was shot.)

5. Williams exited the store and was engaged by "several individuals" and was shot and killed. It is not clear at this time if he was engaged before or after leaving the store or both.

6. Two other persons were shot and are hospitalized in stable condition. At this time there is no information on whether those persons were shot by Williams or hit by "friendly fire". It does appear from the Sheriff's statement that these two persons were shot outside the store.

Not much information here to go on in terms of anything to be learned. The only thing I can come up with without speculating is this.

Don't assume that a person will react the way you expect them to react. We don't know if Fischbach was obsequiously polite or imperious when he told Williams about the rules, but it is pretty clear that he was not prepared for the reaction he got.
 
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Many years ago, we had a (now-defunct) local gun shop get robbed by a crackhead with a .357. The owner was caught cold and the only thing he had at hand was one of those .22 Magnum NAA mini-revolvers in his belt buckle (remember those?)- his shotgun and HiPower were out of reach.

Well, the shop owners 120lb German Shepherd on the floor wanted none of it, but the (normally quite friendly) 3lb Blue Macaw on his countertop perch reached out and took off a sizeable chunk of the robbers face, giving the proprietor enough of a diversion to draw and fire the NAA, killing the baddy.

The heroic avian wasnt harmed.:)

Ever after that, there was a sign on the front door reading, "Forget the Dog, Beware of Bird."
Love this story!!! :)
 
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