Reproduction S&W Scholfield .45

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Cool gun.

Seems high. I wonder if that is due to the nickel or the current madness in guns.

When I still had my 16 inch .44-40 Trapper Winchester, I was looking for one in .44-40 to mate it with.

I always thought a Schofield with a lanyard loop would have been perfect.


Todd.
 
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That is high. I paid less than that for an original. I say original, meaning a 1st Model Schofield, made in 1875.

Smith and Wesson produced the Schofield Model of 2000 from 2000 until 2002.

I never saw a nickel finished one, I have seen a few and they were blued. And all the ones I have seen had 7" barrels, just like the originals. Many of the originals (from the 1870s) had their barrels cut to 5" long when they were surplussed out of the Army and sold to Wells Fargo. That barrel looks to be 5" long.

That does not look like a S&W box either, looks more like a shoe box. Although it looks like the original S&W wrapping paper is there.

Just so you know, those were chambered for the original caliber, 45 Schofield, not 45 Colt or 44-40. Unlike the ones made in the 1870s, the Model of 2000 has a modern hammer block inside, and if I recollect correctly they have a frame mounted firing pin, not a hammer mounted pin like the originals.
 
These were made with Uberti made Italian parts and S. Wesson just put their names on them if I recall.

That is incorrect. Those were made with parts made by Smith and Wesson. I used to know a guy who worked at S&W at the time, and it was his project to get that project off the ground.

There is always a discussion about the Model of 2000 Schofields, whether they are replicas, or because they have the name Smith and Wesson on them they are sometimes called the 3rd Model. There were originally two slightly different models made, the first model was made in 1875, the second model was made in 1876 and 1877. The only real difference was the appearance of the latch. So some call the Model of 2000 the 3rd Model. But despite rumors to that effect, they were not made with Uberti parts.
 
Saw this today. Never knew they made these. 2000 model reproduction according to owner. Looks utterly amazing.
Pretty gun. Somewhat rare also.
Only about 200 of that model were made & only part of those 200 were nickel.
Price could be pretty much spot on - if -it is what it appears to be - which is a Performance Center Wells Fargo model.

Box too - but - it would raise a couple of concerns.
That box might be that size - to accommodate a Cherry presentation case.
Something like the first 125 of them shipped in such a case.
But - if that's so, then why no Cherry case in the picture?
It could be that the Cherry case is/was sold separately.

Another thing that killed that gun was the timing of it.
S&W had caved in to Clinton and signed that horrid agreement.
In 2000 to 2002 - you couldn't give away a new S&W.
 
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That’s a beauty, good luck with it! Thanks for including the price, inquiring minds want to know.

I have an interest in the S&W break-tops, just not at that price point.
 
That’s a beauty, good luck with it! Thanks for including the price, inquiring minds want to know.

I have an interest in the S&W break-tops, just not at that price point.
Didn’t buy the thing. Just saw it in the window.
 
I remember these. They are most certainly not built in Italy. I could not justify the cost, at the time. I now wish I had made the effort to obtain one, when they were new,
 
Those were made with parts made by Smith and Wesson.
There is always a discussion about the Model of 2000 Schofields, whether they are replicas, or because they have the name Smith and Wesson on them they are sometimes called the 3rd Model.
But despite rumors to that effect, they were not made with Uberti parts.
Aha - I think I get it now. When you say "reproduction" it's more a *newer-production* special run?

I assumed it was Italian. I don't recall hearing of these. It'd be a neat score if the price was more approachable.

Thanks for the lesson.

Todd.
 
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Here are a couple of links to Performance Center Schofield Models of 2000, showing the presentation box, and listing what they sold for not too many years ago.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/d...rmance-center-model-3-schofield-2000-revolver

https://www.rockislandauction.com/d...son-performance-center-model-3-schofield-2000

I know prices are up these days, but I think $3500 is wishful thinking for the seller.

Yes, I found there was a Wells Fargo version with 5" barrel, available in blue or nickel plated.
 
I have a blued 7" and they most certainly were not made from Italian/Uberti parts. The frame and cylinder is the original size unlike the Uberti frames which are longer to allow for the 45 Colt length cylinder. The internal lock work changes (safety Nazis are everywhere these days) was a disappointment but otherwise the 2000 vintage Schofields are beautifully done reproductions of the original military issue revolvers. These days the standard blued 7" is selling for ~$2K. There were far fewer 5" Wells Fargo models made so I'm not surprised at the price. Not saying it is worth it but they are rare birds.

Dave
 
I saw the box and it said Wells Fargo on it. The cherry box was missing. They may have left it in shop as this was at a gun show. The owners are local. Maybe not to far out of wack for pricing being it’s nickel and very limited availability. Who knows?
 
Chambering for .45 Schofield kills it for me, well, and the price of course.

If the tooling still exists, and they want to fire off a run in stainless, chambered for a modern cartridge, Id pony up $1000-1500 for one. I think this could appeal to the same crowd who are snapping up new Pythons, which are selling like hot cakes.

You listening Smith and Wesson?
 
Chambering for .45 Schofield kills it for me, well, and the price of course.

If the tooling still exists, and they want to fire off a run in stainless, chambered for a modern cartridge, Id pony up $1000-1500 for one. I think this could appeal to the same crowd who are snapping up new Pythons, which are selling like hot cakes.

You listening Smith and Wesson?
They would have to install the Hillary lock today though.
 
If the tooling still exists, and they want to fire off a run in stainless, chambered for a modern cartridge, Id pony up $1000-1500 for one. I think this could appeal to the same crowd who are snapping up new Pythons, which are selling like hot cakes.

If the tooling still exists, the cylinder was chambered for 45 Schofield, and the frame, and particularly the top strap, where the right length for a 45 Schofield length cylinder. By the way, the 1 7/16" long cylinder is the reason the original Schofields were chambered for what was then a brand new cartridge, the shorter S&W Schofield cartridge. A cylinder that long could not accomodate the longer 45 Colt round. It's along story I will explain some other time.

If you want the same revolver chambered for a 'modern' cartridge' like for instance 45 Colt or 44-40, which are both actually older than the 45 Schofield round, the original tooling simply will not work with a longer round.

This is a first Model Schofield that left the factory in 1875. The arrow is pointing to the bushing on the cylinder that protects the underlying cylinder arbor from Black Powder fouling blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap. When fouling blasted out of the b/c gap lands on the cylinder arbor, it tends to bind up the cylinder after just a few shots. The cylinder bushing is pressed into the cylinder, and it provides horizontal separation from the b/c gap and the front end of the cylinder arbor.


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Now go back and look at the Schofield Model of 2000 in the original poster's photo. There is no bushing visible at all. S&W changed the design for that version, they did not intend them to be fired with Black Powder. And if somebody tries to shoot one with Black Powder, the cylinder will bind up quickly because fouling blasted out of the b/c gap will build up on the unprotected cylinder arbor. My point is, in order to fire a longer 'modern' cartridge such as 45 Colt, or just about any other cartridge you would care to name, the cylinder would have to be lengthened to 1 9/16", and the frame stretched an extra 1/8" to accommodate the longer cartridge. The original tooling will not allow this. During the 1880s, S&W made some longer frames for their New Model Number Three and 44 Double Action to go along with a 1 9/16" cylinder so the revolvers could chamber 44-40 and 38-40. S&W never chambered any of their Top Break revolvers for 45 Colt.

By the way, when Uberi began making their version of the Schofield they lengthened the cylinder to accommodate 45 colt and 44-40, but they did not stretch the frame a comparable amount. They instead chose to shorten the bushing on the front of the cylinder, which is why Uberti replicas of the Schofield bind up quickly when fired with Black Powder.

I seriously doubt S&W is listening anyway, their bread and butter these days is semi-auto pistols.
 
Yes. Uberti makes the reproductions. Cimarron is an importer, does not make anything.

As I say, they messed with the original design and they do not digest Black Powder cartridges very well.

Uberti calls it the 1875 No. 3 Bop Break, but it is a replica of the Schofield model. 1875 is the year the model was introduced, so that is why they call it the 1875 Model.

https://www.uberti-usa.com/top-break-revolver
 
If the tooling still exists, the cylinder was chambered for 45 Schofield, and the frame, and particularly the top strap, where the right length for a 45 Schofield length cylinder. By the way, the 1 7/16" long cylinder is the reason the original Schofields were chambered for what was then a brand new cartridge, the shorter S&W Schofield cartridge. A cylinder that long could not accomodate the longer 45 Colt round. It's along story I will explain some other time.

If you want the same revolver chambered for a 'modern' cartridge' like for instance 45 Colt or 44-40, which are both actually older than the 45 Schofield round, the original tooling simply will not work with a longer round.

This is a first Model Schofield that left the factory in 1875. The arrow is pointing to the bushing on the cylinder that protects the underlying cylinder arbor from Black Powder fouling blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap. When fouling blasted out of the b/c gap lands on the cylinder arbor, it tends to bind up the cylinder after just a few shots. The cylinder bushing is pressed into the cylinder, and it provides horizontal separation from the b/c gap and the front end of the cylinder arbor.


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Now go back and look at the Schofield Model of 2000 in the original poster's photo. There is no bushing visible at all. S&W changed the design for that version, they did not intend them to be fired with Black Powder. And if somebody tries to shoot one with Black Powder, the cylinder will bind up quickly because fouling blasted out of the b/c gap will build up on the unprotected cylinder arbor. My point is, in order to fire a longer 'modern' cartridge such as 45 Colt, or just about any other cartridge you would care to name, the cylinder would have to be lengthened to 1 9/16", and the frame stretched an extra 1/8" to accommodate the longer cartridge. The original tooling will not allow this. During the 1880s, S&W made some longer frames for their New Model Number Three and 44 Double Action to go along with a 1 9/16" cylinder so the revolvers could chamber 44-40 and 38-40. S&W never chambered any of their Top Break revolvers for 45 Colt.

By the way, when Uberi began making their version of the Schofield they lengthened the cylinder to accommodate 45 colt and 44-40, but they did not stretch the frame a comparable amount. They instead chose to shorten the bushing on the front of the cylinder, which is why Uberti replicas of the Schofield bind up quickly when fired with Black Powder.

I seriously doubt S&W is listening anyway, their bread and butter these days is semi-auto pistols.


You keep repeating the incorrect statement that the Uberti Schofields lock up rapidly when shooting BP, and those of us that use them in CAS shooting BP keep correcting your misapprehension. It does grow tiresome.
 
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