No more guns coming?

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It finally happened to Academy :confused:. My previous visit was in September.

Yesterday looking down an aisle towards the gun counter, I saw little inside the handguns' glass cases. Looked like it had been cleaned out.:what: Totally weird, like in some movie.

If this also happened to the gun store a few miles away, I will report back on that............because as of about three weeks ago, they have never had any gaps in their multiple rows of handguns- even a year ago.
 
It’s a simple supply and demand issue. Some of y’all have forgotten what the world was like after Sandy Hook. It was much more difficult to find ARs, AKs and semi auto pistols back then than it is now. Ammo is harder to find, but I attribute that to folks learning their lessons in the past and not wanting to be caught without it again. Ammo has been bought in record volumes for the past decade. Supply had just barely caught up with demand before COVID hit. The sky ain’t falling. Manufacturers have been hit with record gun sales and diminished manufacturing capabilities due to COVID. It was and is a perfect storm. As long as we don’t see any major gun legislation passed, supply will catch up by the time Biden leaves office.
 
There are more guns coming. The manufacturers are cranking them out as fast as they can. S&W is setting records for sales. Ruger is setting records for sales.

They're being made at record levels. They're just being bought faster than they can be made.
 
JohnKSa said:
There are more guns coming. The manufacturers are cranking them out as fast as they can. S&W is setting records for sales. Ruger is setting records for sales.

They're being made at record levels. They're just being bought faster than they can be made.
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I’d rather they crank them out as fast as they reasonably can and maintain QC. Maybe that’s what you meant. But a bunch of guns going out to fill orders. that will just have come back for warranty work, doesn’t help reputations.
 
I'm seeing about 10 of those 12ga AR's for every "real" AR. Seems to be an upswing in used guns making it to the racks, either that or the used guns seem more prevalent than before because of some shops lack of stock. I think the only silver lining to this whole mess is that maybe the tacticool will take a back seat to the good older stuff. I love me a good AR but I also like the older stuff. Sometimes I wish I could step back into the late 80's/early 90's, back when there were more surplus army navy depots/gun shops. Everything has gone tactical operator larp fest. I used to love seeing the old S&W police trade ins 59×× series and other older style autos and revolvers. I love black polymer but I also feel like the market is oversaturated with it. Not to say I want to see it go away, just maybe strike a better balance.
 
I don't know where the OP is but since the election I have gotten various ammunition I was looking for at moderate rates by searching for deals every day over morning coffee. I am not a hoarder so 500-800 rnds of 9mm, 1000 rnds .22, and 300 rnds of .380 on hand is plenty. Mix of types FMJ, HP and Monolithic centerfire and lead, CPRN & CPHP .22. I was also able to get a Shield 2.0 9mm & a Ruger LCP II this year. I'm at the range 1-2x a week and won't accept the panic theories around. Stay alert and follow legislation, join groups fighting for our rights. Get involved constructively, legally.
 
Persuader12 said:
I went to a LGS and there was a surprising number of guns there, even though their website showed almost nothing. I asked the owner about that, and he said that the website is their supplier, who has nothing. I asked what happens when his own inventory runs out, and he said, "Then that's it!"

I then went to Scheels, which has a dwindling supply of every kind of gun, and very little (and high priced) ammo. I've noticed that they keep removing shelves, probably as a way to not have so many bare shelves that highlight how little they have. I asked the salesman about ordering something they don't have, and he said they aren't taking any orders for guns. What's on the shelves is all that can be bought.

Well, I was under the impression that the empty shelves at the stores was due to people buying up what was there and special orders going straight to the people without landing on the shelves first. Now I discover that it's because gun stores can't even take orders OR put anything on shelves because they can't even order anything. But wait! Aren't the manufacturers still manufacturing guns as fast as they can for people who want to buy them? If not, why not?
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Go to Gunbroker and put ANY brand, make, model of a gun in and there are hundreds for sale..most new. Like ammo, online resellers are getting some sort of priority.

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=glock 19

BTW-my 2 sons and I all bought NEW Glock 48s about a month ago..Youngest son just bought a S&W model 638, new. While he was doing the BGC(15 minutes, BTW), another guy bought a Glock 48..Sportsman's Warehouse.
 
Picked up a Mossberg Maverick 12 gauge combo for my son last week. LGS had quite a few of the import tacticool Turkish shotguns in the rack. I had to talk to the counter guy and tell him what I was looking for, it took a walk to the storeroom to come back with the Mossberg. He explained that he has 3, if he put them out someone would by all 3 at once. He has to do this with different things in this environment. He is getting guns in but I guess demand is still crazy.
 
Toilet paper manufacturers didn’t construct new manufacturing plants and higher/train thousands of workers, source more raw materials, etc when everyone bought up all the TP last year. They knew historically what was consumed and understood that one symptom of COVID wasn’t explosive diarrhea. So they just kept on going as they always had and now that everyone has a spare bedroom full of toilet paper, they don’t have to lay off people and add unused factory to overhead.

As far as not taking orders, they may just be mulling over if they want to take the risk of raising prices and as production is already backordered, have the luxury of being able to take time in making the decision.
 
Local gun shop in North Platte said he was getting guns, a small amount of ammo and no reloading supplies.
 
Not sure where you guys live who are seeing bare shelves, but around here many shops have an abundance of inventory. Granted there was a period of time last year when the pistol cases were all but cleaned out, but inventory has long since come back and they're pretty much fully stocked. My local Scheels almost has a full showroom (exception being the higher end, more custom long gun cases), plenty of pistols, ARs, shottys, etc. Also live near Impact Guns in Salt Lake City and their rifle wall is full of anything you could want. I guess it just depends on the area.
 
The gun buying public is very fickle and a large majority apparently base their purchases on the current news cycle. Since guns essentially last forever, it creates very difficult supply chain issues when there is a mass panic. Just keep in mind Ruger laid off 250 employees in 2019 and had a significant drop in sales. Right before the shutdowns began all over the country, gun companies were essentially in severe trouble.

I have my doubts Congress will pass anything in gun related anytime soon. So the only question is how long can people continue to buy firearms at this pace.
 
tarosean said:
All depends on the distributor/s they work with.
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That is the truth. I have 4 different distributors. When I check the websites there is no inventory except for high dollar arms and everything is allocated. Since I work out of a bedroom office I don't get anything. That is the main reason that I went to listing consignments.
 
huntsman said:
Grab a gun seemed to added to their stock, maybe it’s favoritism to high volume dealers.
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My understanding of the gun related distributor world is that a gun shop gets assigned an agent, that agent has his list that has a pecking order. The higher on the list the LGS is, the more supplies that are available. The further down the list and stocks start dwindling.

I imagine that places like Buds Gun Shop, Grabagun, etc, can buy directly from the manufacturer that gives them better pricing. But that is only a guess.
 
Yeah, it really seems like you have to buy online right now. I've already purchased three guns from three different places since the beginning of Dec. All were in stock, shipped immediately and not overpriced.
 
If you put yourself on the list for a gun from Buds, they will email you if they get some. The price might not be what you want but if you want the gun - I bought something that probably cost me two fancy dinners more than it would have before the pandemic.
 
GEM said:
Let's not divert from the OP to gun control legislation.
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I wasn't intending to, but I had to mention it since it may very well be one of the driving forces causing the problem mentioned in the OP.
 
We have enough places to discuss legislation, let's keep this one on the supply chain and what folks see, please. We all know that the panic has multiple causes from plagues, politics and psychology.
 
I think a lot of people forget that we have to import a lot of the things we use in manufacturing. Importation has been down. You can’t make things with materials you can’t get.

I also imagine that companies probably have to prioritize at least to some degree weather to put most of what he can do right now into ammo or to split it between ammo and guns. I bet it’s easier, faster and cheaper to make ammo That you’re pretty much 100% certain you’re going to be able to sell at this point then it is to crank out a bunch of guns you probably will sell but might not.
 
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