flourescent lighting. powder scale problems

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I have been having a problem with several electronic scales. I talked to my gunsmith and he told me that fluorescent lighting near the scale might be the problem ( I have a fluorescent lighting.panel directly above my reloading table) I am getting large variations in readings. I am setting up to load 9mm @ 4.4 "WW231" but I get erratic readings ( 5.7gr being the highest)
need less to say reloading in on hold untill I work this problem out to get consistent scale readings.

Question; if I remove the fluorescent tubes and replace them with LED lighting tubes - will this resolve the problem??.
I am considering going to an RCBS 505. but I have read that fluorescent lighting causes problems with this as well
 
I have been having a problem with several electronic scales. I talked to my gunsmith and he told me that fluorescent lighting near the scale might be the problem ( I have a fluorescent lighting.panel directly above my reloading table) I am getting large variations in readings. I am setting up to load 9mm @ 4.4 "WW231" but I get erratic readings ( 5.7gr being the highest)
need less to say reloading in on hold untill I work this problem out to get consistent scale readings.

Question; if I remove the fluorescent tubes and replace them with LED lighting tubes - will this resolve the problem??.
I am considering going to an RCBS 505. but I have read that fluorescent lighting causes problems with this as well

By the time you mess about with LED tubes, you might as well replace the entire fixture, unless replacing the tube is significantly cheaper. Isnt it the transformer in the fluorescent light that causes the wierd issues? I cant remember.

Ive had no issues with my CM1500 or FX120i with LEDs. Mine are 4' above the scales.
 
I've a Dillon digital that sometimes doesn't want hold zero, and I've drifted back to a beam balance for the moment.
Like the ability to just weigh stuff without messing with the poises; we shall see.
Moon
 
Walmart has 4’ twin “tube” led lights that are incredibly bright for under $20. I added one over my bench and replaced the fluorescent ones in my shop and the difference is amazing. I believe they also have a shorter one, but it’s probably about the same price.
 
Quick test is to simply turn off the fluorescent light and check the scale with LEDs, flashlight, phone, etc... if it stabilizes, well, there you go. - mostly lead

I tried keeping the fluorescent lights off & using an LED lamp. but I was still not getting consistent readings. so i was wondering if the led's had the same effect? I have read that any electric filed can cause problems , from cell phones to electric space heaters.
I was thinking of going with a beam scale but what I see in reviews is that they aren't as dependable as they used to be.
 
Walmart has 4’ twin “tube” led lights that are incredibly bright for under $20
I was thinking of this also but I am not sure that it would resolve the problem
 
Quick test is to simply turn off the fluorescent light and check the scale with LEDs, flashlight, phone, etc... if it stabilizes, well, there you go. - mostly lead

I tried keeping the fluorescent lights off & using an LED lamp. but I was still not getting consistent readings. so i was wondering if the led's had the same effect? I have read that any electric filed can cause problems , from cell phones to electric space heaters.
I was thinking of going with a beam scale but what I see in reviews is that they aren't as dependable as they used to be.

Is the airflow completely calm where your scale is? Wouldn't take much to change a 4.4 grain reading...
 
I use a Hornady electronic powder dispenser and have no problems with the LED lights. I haven’t tried it with any other lighting, so I only know what I have read about from others. Wish I could be of more help.
 
Is the airflow completely calm where your scale is? Wouldn't take much to change a 4.4 grain reading...mostly lead

yes, no air flow while I'm reloading
 
when i moved I lost the powder pan for my rcbs 10-10. that I have used for 35+ years without trouble.
now trying to find a decent scale seems to be a real problem
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I tried keeping the fluorescent lights off & using an LED lamp. but I was still not getting consistent readings.

Are you tricking the last bit into the pan? It seems some electronic scales have a hard time registering a slow, slight increase in weight until several tenths of a grain are added and then the reading jumps up. Probably due to a minuscule amount of friction in the inner workings.

When you get close to your desired weight pick up the pan and let the scale settle back to zero (minus tare weight of the pan) then set the pan back on the scale. This process can obviously add time and can be frustrating, but I've found it to work well for me when using an electronic scale. I still prefer a beam scale, though.
 
I have high ceilings in my basement reloading room and have not seen any issues with the fluorescent lights affecting my electronic scales.

Also, I do not have any heating and A/C vents in the area that could affect the scale.

Maybe I am lucky.

I've thought about changing the lights out to LED lights, maybe someday if I see that I have problems. I've put some LED tube lights in my garage/workshop that have worked well. Some of the fluorescent lights made these days seem to be pretty poor as compared to what was made 20-30 years ago.
 
I am measuring single throws from a redding br-3 this should be +/- .1tenth
I had the measure sent back to the factory thinking that it was the powder measure but redding tells me it checks out.

thuis is what i sent to redding tech department
On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:48 PM,

mike & redding techline
after much thought I decided to re-test my powder measure today
I started with the following I reviewed the directions, and started back on square 1
1.cleaned micrometers again ( alcohol swab ) backed the adjustment all the way for cleaning then i reset
2. cleaned powder measure ( alcohol swab )
3. applied a light coat of graphite to powder measure drum
4.cleaned dillion drop tube
5. reconnected the drop tube checking that the powder measure was correctly seated in the tube.
6. remounted assembled powder measure with drop tube onto the press.
7. put new batteries in scale

then i filled the measure with powder ( Winchester 231) and fine tuned my charge weight.
I started throwing test charges and recording charge weights I was looking for a charge of 3.5 grains I I started getting random variance in charge weights. I expect that there should be a "small" variation in weights, and having used this model of powder measure and this powder ( Winchester 231) for loading 45acp I have come to expect an average if 1/10th of a grain variance. when i get to the bottom of a container I will some times get 2/10th of a grain variance.so I am expecting to get weights of about 3.4 to 3.6 grains on my charges.I tested 151 charges and found the following

my test charges seemed to drift from the very start of my testing ( photo of my records of charge weights as you see it starts out at about 3.6 on #1 as i progress the charge weights get more and more off #11- 4.0grains / #17-4.1grains /#19 - 4.3 grains /#42 - 4.3 grains / #43- 4.58 grains
( 344through #53 are in the area of 4.5 grains) ( as are #68 through 75) # 76came in at 5.2grains

and #83 was 7.64 grains charge #92 was7.94grains ( almost twice the charge i am wanting and this is well beyond the recommended powder charge for a 9mm with a 124 gr bullet)
as you can see on page 3 (right side) I started getting lower
powder charges going from #7 -3.6 grains to #30 -1.8grains then the charge slowly increased in weight
note on #6 I changed scaled but I still could not get a constant charge weight.

to sum this up I got variations in charge weights from ( #30 -1.8grains page 3) ( #83- 7.64 grains)
& ( #92- 7.94 grains) keep in mind that i didn't reset or adjust the micrometers in any way during this testing
Sierra loading data stated that 5.1 is a max charge
I have tried every thing I can think of to resolve this. is there anything that I might have missed?
 
Fluorescent bulbs and electronic scales do not play well together. I noticed this trying to use the PACT scale my Dad gave me under a 4' fluorescent . Replaced the PACT with a 505, no more problems, though I've gone to LED lights in my shop anyway, for the savings and brighter light.
 
to sum this up I got variations in charge weights from ( #30 -1.8grains page 3) ( #83- 7.64 grains)
& ( #92- 7.94 grains) keep in mind that i didn't reset or adjust the micrometers in any way during this testing
Was there a visible difference in the volume of the charges or just the scale readings?
 
Higgite - no visible difference in the volume of the charges

Otto-
Buy a set of check weights...
I have been looking for a set thank you for the link!.it is now on my shopping list for the week
do you notice that on amazon the scale check weight cost for Jewelry ( grams is at times under $10 ) https://www.amazon.com/Hestya-Calib...9043c&pd_rd_wg=d0cCE&pd_rd_i=B078Q3JZY7&psc=1
but midway wants 40+ for check weights..

thank you both for your help!
 
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I had same issue. Also found that having cell phone or other electronic devices around scale definitely caused bad readings. Also even the gentle breeze of a fan, even though it was on low speed, blowing across the floor a distance away has an effect. Switched to an LED light, like the better lighting and solved my problem. In addition I keep all electronics at least 6 feet away from scale
 
Higgite - no visible difference in the volume of the charges

Otto-
Buy a set of check weights...
I have been looking for a set thank you for the link!.it is now on my shopping list for the week
do you notice that on amazon the scale check weight cost for Jewelry ( grams is at times under $10 ) https://www.amazon.com/Hestya-Calib...9043c&pd_rd_wg=d0cCE&pd_rd_i=B078Q3JZY7&psc=1
but midway wants 40+ for check weights..

thank you both for your help!

Ebay for check weights. I got a Lyman check weight set for about $10 not long ago. Complete with box, tweezers and original instructions.
 
I replaced my 4 tube fluorescent lights over my reloading bench with a 2 strip LED fixture & it twice as bright as the 4 tube was. The difference is amazing.
 
I installed some LED light fixtures on my garage and noticed they do cause FM radio interference so they may affect electronic scales as well.
 
I have had a 4ft florescent fixture over my loading bench for over 30 years and have not had any problems related to it with the two digital scales that I have owned. There is about 4-1/2 feet between it and the bench top.

The fixture started life having a T-12 ballast and I converted it to T-8 electronic when they came out. I will eventually convert over to LED. So far I'm not really an LED fan.
 
Simple to convert to Led your existing fixtures. Bypass ballast change lamps
I’m Master Electrician by trade but telling you it’s easy. Look on internet if unsure best way to go
 
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