10mm..: the new outdoorsman's choice.?

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Even in the woods the most likely need for a gun is from 2 legged predators and a semi holding 16 rounds of ammo in a smaller, lighter package than a 3" or 4" magnum revolver is appealing. When camping the ability to attach a weapons mounted light is a big plus not normally possible with a revolver.

Whilst in the woods people may continue to be the most prevalent threat, in the wilderness that's less of a concern. But the ability to easily mount a weapons light (along with the availability of Tritium sight options) is a fairly compelling argument.
 
I think any of the three calibers mentioned here (10mm, .41mag or .44mag) would be fine 99.9% of the time. The big factor here is which you can shoot more accurately, repeatedly. I no longer have a .44mag, but have several .41mags and 10mm's. I am very accurate and can repeatedly hit my target with them. I am not recoil sensitive.
 
While out in the woods the biggest threat I see is getting injured and unable to hike/crawl back to help. Bears, wolves, mountain lions, coyotes, meth makers, and pot growers are just the tip of the ice Berg. Injuries kill more folks in the woods then all combined. So let folks know where you are going and plan on returning. That alone could save your life.
 
I suppose it depends on the individual and their concerns. I'd prefer a .44 or .41 mag over a 10mm when wandering the great outdoors.

The 10mm can get close (but not equal) to the .41 mag in lighter weight bullets. But it can't push a 300gr at 1200fps like the .44 can.

Certainly depends on location. I agree with .41 or .44 if I still lived on Grizzly country, but where I'm at 10mm and .45 ACP hard casts will put down anything.

Plus, 200 grain hard casts @ 1200 fps from my 1911 are a lot easier to get multiple rounds on target quickly over the big wheelies, for me anyway.
 
While out in the woods the biggest threat I see is getting injured and unable to hike/crawl back to help. Bears, wolves, mountain lions, coyotes, meth makers, and pot growers are just the tip of the ice Berg. Injuries kill more folks in the woods then all combined. So let folks know where you are going and plan on returning. That alone could save your life.

Very true. Safety first. And if this were a survival forum we'd be talking about all those other dangers. :)
 
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I have and really like a .44 mag Mtn Gun. ....but I doubt that I will carry it much any more for just woods walking. I find the Glock 20 easier to carry. Easier still is Ruger LCP .357 --so it goes fishing more than the Glock.
 
Putting a light on a revolver is not that hard. My 10mm 610 does it just fine.

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Though this might be a better option if you now as handy as me.

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That's my grail revolver.

That said, I have moved to 9mm for EDC in or out of the woods. Mainly because of familiarity and lighter weight. It works well for the most dangerous animal in East TN:

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Every time buzz starts about a caliber, some jump on the bandwagon and others keep what they already had. 10mm for bear? In an auto? Not me. If I were in bear country a revolver in .44, or .454 would be adequate.

As far as EDC and a 10 goes, though I don't like polymer it's a good option. I carried my Tanfo compact 10mm for years before switching over to my Beretta 96D in .40.
 
I've been using a G20 for at least 20 years as my go-to hiking/camping handgun. More recently a G29 is my preference. I have 357 and 44 mag revolvers but chose to leave them home in favor or the 10mm.

Even in the woods the most likely need for a gun is from 2 legged predators and a semi holding 16 rounds of ammo in a smaller, lighter package than a 3" or 4" magnum revolver is appealing. When camping the ability to attach a weapons mounted light is a big plus not normally possible with a revolver.

And you still have the versatility of loading some pretty hot loads. The 200 gr DoubleTap hardcast load shot 1315 fps from my G20 is pretty impressive, and that load has taken brown bear and cape buffalo.

I hunt, but I don't handgun hunt. If I were looking for a handgun specifically for hunting then a 6" or longer 44 is what I'd carry. The longer barrel and better trigger of a revolver aids accuracy and ups velocity a bit. But for what I do I find a 10mm ideal.

Pretty good summary and sound reasoning. Most encounters today east of the Mississippi will be of the two-legged variety, and while I’m not a 10mm “true believer” I’m just fine with the G22. I have other tools for the job (revolvers), but there are no flies on a .40 vs a 10mm.

Its all about shot placement, and the 40/10 is the same size, so that’s that.
 
If you're primarily interested in handguns for defensive purposes, you're likely to choose a 10mm for the outdoors. You're also likely to never fire a shot outside the shooting range.

If you're primarily interested in handguns for other reasons such as hunting, you're likely to choose something else. You're also likely to shoot stuff with your revolvers all the time.

There's multiple reasons why I don't choose the 10mm as a primary sidearm in the wilderness. They have nothing to do with my age or level of Fuddery. I'm no stranger to "newfangled" semi-autos with high capacity magazines. However, unless you are going into battle, magazine capacity is a false god worshiped by too many. It's simply a non-issue 99.9999% of the time. Diehard 10mm fans will argue this but preference and need are rarely the same. Accuracy is another reason. Virtually any good revolver will be capable of 1" groups at 25yds. Service autos are usually going to be at least two if not three times that. Fine for something you're just going to carry but if you depend on your sidearm for camp meat or shooting at yonder rock 200yds away, it matters. The sights contribute to this as well. Service autos with coarse sights are not conducive to fine shooting when compared to the fine target sights of many revolvers. The trigger is another reason. Unless it's a 1911, a service auto's trigger is going to suck. Yes, I'm aware of 3.5lb Glock trigger connectors, I shot them for 15yrs. A Glock trigger will never hold a candle to the 2-3lb crisp single action trigger pull of a revolver. Weight. This is often touted as a feather in the polymer auto's hat but people seem to look at unloaded weights alone. Yes, an empty Glock is very light but as soon as you load the damned thing, you're equal to a 4" revolver or 5" 1911. Ironically enough, many of the same reasons why I do not choose a 10mm are the same reasons why I don't choose a .357Mag revolver either. A .44 or .45 with a 250gr cast bullet at 800-1000fps will handle 99.99% of what needs doing and do so without making your ears bleed. A serious limitation of semi-autos is their inability to handle reduced loads. The revolver does't care. At the upper end of terminal effectiveness, magazine capacity does not make up for the fact that the 10mm is at best a deer cartridge. The very best of 10mm loads are equivalent to the Keith .44Spl load, albeit with a smaller bullet with a disproportionately smaller meplat. Having 16rds does not make up for a lack of bullet mass and you can't miss fast enough to win a bear fight. When it comes to large, scary beasts, there's no replacement for displacement and appropriate cartridges for such tasks BEGIN with the .44Mag.
 
If you're primarily interested in handguns for defensive purposes, you're likely to choose a 10mm for the outdoors. You're also likely to never fire a shot outside the shooting range.

If you're primarily interested in handguns for other reasons such as hunting, you're likely to choose something else. You're also likely to shoot stuff with your revolvers all the time.

There's multiple reasons why I don't choose the 10mm as a primary sidearm in the wilderness. They have nothing to do with my age or level of Fuddery. I'm no stranger to "newfangled" semi-autos with high capacity magazines. However, unless you are going into battle, magazine capacity is a false god worshiped by too many. It's simply a non-issue 99.9999% of the time. Diehard 10mm fans will argue this but preference and need are rarely the same. Accuracy is another reason. Virtually any good revolver will be capable of 1" groups at 25yds. Service autos are usually going to be at least two if not three times that. Fine for something you're just going to carry but if you depend on your sidearm for camp meat or shooting at yonder rock 200yds away, it matters. The sights contribute to this as well. Service autos with coarse sights are not conducive to fine shooting when compared to the fine target sights of many revolvers. The trigger is another reason. Unless it's a 1911, a service auto's trigger is going to suck. Yes, I'm aware of 3.5lb Glock trigger connectors, I shot them for 15yrs. A Glock trigger will never hold a candle to the 2-3lb crisp single action trigger pull of a revolver. Weight. This is often touted as a feather in the polymer auto's hat but people seem to look at unloaded weights alone. Yes, an empty Glock is very light but as soon as you load the damned thing, you're equal to a 4" revolver or 5" 1911. Ironically enough, many of the same reasons why I do not choose a 10mm are the same reasons why I don't choose a .357Mag revolver either. A .44 or .45 with a 250gr cast bullet at 800-1000fps will handle 99.99% of what needs doing and do so without making your ears bleed. A serious limitation of semi-autos is their inability to handle reduced loads. The revolver does't care. At the upper end of terminal effectiveness, magazine capacity does not make up for the fact that the 10mm is at best a deer cartridge. The very best of 10mm loads are equivalent to the Keith .44Spl load, albeit with a smaller bullet with a disproportionately smaller meplat. Having 16rds does not make up for a lack of bullet mass and you can't miss fast enough to win a bear fight. When it comes to large, scary beasts, there's no replacement for displacement and appropriate cartridges for such tasks BEGIN with the .44Mag.

Amen.
 
I like the 10mm but I no longer own any. What many aren't aware of, for some reason, is that the stuff you're going to potentially hunt with a 10mm could be killed just as dead with a .40 or .45 and that's just with off the shelf factory ammo from the "big three". Yes the 10mm can put out good numbers, but when you start factoring in handloads, they all gain a good bit. It's not hard to run a 230gr from a 4.5-5" barrel gun to 1050-1100 fps or a 185gr to around 1250+ fps. What will the 10mm do that those loads won't? Nothing.

Then there's the .40 S&W. I'm convinced the .40 will do anything the 10mm will do, no question. It doesn't put out identical ballistics, but close enough that nothing living will know the difference. Buy a G20 and run a 180gr to 1350+ fps or a G22 and run the same bullet 1250+ fps. A G29 that will run a 180gr to 1275 fps or a G23 that will run one to 1225 fps? Not to mention the size advantage of the .40 since it's 9mm sized. I mean yes I get it why people like 10mm, I've had over a dozen myself, but at the end of the day, the 10mm only gives you a bigger gun and a lighter wallet. If I want more power, I'll grab a .44 Mag.

So to answer your question, I'd definitely get a 44. If you want something smaller and lighter, seriously consider a .40 or .45.
 
If you're primarily interested in handguns for defensive purposes, you're likely to choose a 10mm for the outdoors. You're also likely to never fire a shot outside the shooting range.

If you're primarily interested in handguns for other reasons such as hunting, you're likely to choose something else. You're also likely to shoot stuff with your revolvers all the time.

There's multiple reasons why I don't choose the 10mm as a primary sidearm in the wilderness. They have nothing to do with my age or level of Fuddery. I'm no stranger to "newfangled" semi-autos with high capacity magazines. However, unless you are going into battle, magazine capacity is a false god worshiped by too many. It's simply a non-issue 99.9999% of the time. Diehard 10mm fans will argue this but preference and need are rarely the same. Accuracy is another reason. Virtually any good revolver will be capable of 1" groups at 25yds. Service autos are usually going to be at least two if not three times that. Fine for something you're just going to carry but if you depend on your sidearm for camp meat or shooting at yonder rock 200yds away, it matters. The sights contribute to this as well. Service autos with coarse sights are not conducive to fine shooting when compared to the fine target sights of many revolvers. The trigger is another reason. Unless it's a 1911, a service auto's trigger is going to suck. Yes, I'm aware of 3.5lb Glock trigger connectors, I shot them for 15yrs. A Glock trigger will never hold a candle to the 2-3lb crisp single action trigger pull of a revolver. Weight. This is often touted as a feather in the polymer auto's hat but people seem to look at unloaded weights alone. Yes, an empty Glock is very light but as soon as you load the damned thing, you're equal to a 4" revolver or 5" 1911. Ironically enough, many of the same reasons why I do not choose a 10mm are the same reasons why I don't choose a .357Mag revolver either. A .44 or .45 with a 250gr cast bullet at 800-1000fps will handle 99.99% of what needs doing and do so without making your ears bleed. A serious limitation of semi-autos is their inability to handle reduced loads. The revolver does't care. At the upper end of terminal effectiveness, magazine capacity does not make up for the fact that the 10mm is at best a deer cartridge. The very best of 10mm loads are equivalent to the Keith .44Spl load, albeit with a smaller bullet with a disproportionately smaller meplat. Having 16rds does not make up for a lack of bullet mass and you can't miss fast enough to win a bear fight. When it comes to large, scary beasts, there's no replacement for displacement and appropriate cartridges for such tasks BEGIN with the .44Mag.

Well said!
You really should consider writing some magazine articles or sumpthin'.
 
I like the 10mm but I no longer own any. What many aren't aware of, for some reason, is that the stuff you're going to potentially hunt with a 10mm could be killed just as dead with a .40 or .45 and that's just with off the shelf factory ammo from the "big three". Yes the 10mm can put out good numbers, but when you start factoring in handloads, they all gain a good bit. It's not hard to run a 230gr from a 4.5-5" barrel gun to 1050-1100 fps or a 185gr to around 1250+ fps. What will the 10mm do that those loads won't? Nothing.

Then there's the .40 S&W. I'm convinced the .40 will do anything the 10mm will do, no question. It doesn't put out identical ballistics, but close enough that nothing living will know the difference. Buy a G20 and run a 180gr to 1350+ fps or a G22 and run the same bullet 1250+ fps. A G29 that will run a 180gr to 1275 fps or a G23 that will run one to 1225 fps? Not to mention the size advantage of the .40 since it's 9mm sized. I mean yes I get it why people like 10mm, I've had over a dozen myself, but at the end of the day, the 10mm only gives you a bigger gun and a lighter wallet. If I want more power, I'll grab a .44 Mag.

So to answer your question, I'd definitely get a 44. If you want something smaller and lighter, seriously consider a .40 or .45.

The same could be said of the 45/454.
 
I love the .40 Super (10mm to all you sillymeter folks) but when it comes to wood's walking I prefer a 265gr. Cast performance LFN gas checked bullet at about 900fps. in my 4" 45 Colt because big & slow is the way to go.;)
44 mag is good for hunting but the 45 Colt allows for faster follow up shots, just my 2 cents.:thumbup:
 
Is it official...or is the 44mag still the king of the jungle?
I have neither.

Have hunted Mulies, Antelope, and Whitetails with both 10mm and .44 magnum. Both will get the job done but for shot placement possibly being a little off the mark, I'd give the .44 an edge. The fact that you can sling heavier chunks of lead also gives it another advantage.

To use a race car analogy.....one can win with a small block, but it's nice to have the extra horse power of a big block when needed.
 
No question you've got the HP (nice).....but looking at those tire tracks, the GPS might need recalibrated. :) You weren't checking the THR when it veered off course? :D

Nice holes in the zucchini!
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10mm does a lot. I like a g20 for outdoors use in the midwest , down south and eastern states. It's plenty for the meanest critters around. So are many others though. There's so much hype online about what the 10mm will and won't do though, I'll share my experience . it shoots flatter than 45 acp , is larger and heavier than 9mm, carries more rounds than any revolver and is not much (if any) larger than lesser chambered guns. So it's good.

What it will never be, a magnum. It's just not. Being better than some 100+ year old little spud semi auto cartridges isn't a huge deal but in my opinion it's the most powerful semi auto cartridge availbe in a "normal" pistol. 7.5fk, 50 ae ect need not apply.

As far as 44 mag goes, my opinion will be pretty unpopular . it's obsolete. 454 casull revolvers are the exact same size, have larger case capacity, push heavier bullets faster and out perform 44 mag in every single way. Load mild to wild and never need to push the limits. Yes, 460 & 500 SW mag out perform the 454 but then you move up to a revolver that comes close to the weight of a rifle (which is always going to be better) and is less tolerable to do much walking with. That's kind of a touchy subject because SW doesn't make a 44 mag sized revolver in 454, I don't think the design can tolerate the pressure so SW guys stick with 44 mag. Modern designed revolvers like ruger & Taurus can take the pounding and do fine with it. One of many reasons that ruger is top of the heap, feel free to disagree.
 
I've carried 10mm and 44 magnum for over 20 years. If I want to carry a revolver I carry one of many in 44. If I want to carry a semi-auto I carry one of many in 10mm. The only reason I relented and bought my first Glock was for the 10mm. Then I may not touch a 10 for several years. Then I may not touch a 44 for just as long. For anything in my area there is no difference. A good shot will put down any whitetail or bear here and a butt shot won't. If im on my land or fence rows I have a 44 or a 10mm. Ive put down cattle with both. Many times. Ive deer hunted with both. Many times. Ive never lost an animal I shot with either. If I had to choose one cartridge 10 or 44 I could flip a coin and be content.

I also have the bigger magnums but highly doubt I ever use them for any real work again. Just too big and unless scoped they offer no advantage, for me at least. Great fun though.

That's kind of a touchy subject because SW doesn't make a 44 mag sized revolver in 454,

As many trips as my 44 mag N frames have made to smith and wesson....I wouldn't suggest they try that. Lol

I carried my Glock 29 concealed for a bit. But switched to the Glock 27 many many years ago. Physical size and availability of decent ammo being the factors. Back then double tap or silvertips were about it for 10mm. All my woods ammo is handloads.
 
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