Has DA/SA gone out of style?

rjk2475 said:

I'm being told to dump my Sig classics for the far superior striker polymers for ccw and range. Is this good advise?

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If you shoot your Sig pistols well and are comfortable with them, then it's terrible advise. For someone new to handguns who wants to buy and learn, it makes more sense.

Style? Does that mean I am supposed to wear baggy trousers, that hang too low? No, thanks.

Plenty of love for DA/SA Berettas, nowadays, among some very knowledgeable folks. Not my cup of tea, due to the huge volume of the grip frame, but I respect the guys who like their Berettas.

SIG certainly seems to be trying to steer folks to polymer/striker guns, but keep in mind that a manufacturer wants to produce things as cheaply as possible, and sell for as much as possible, to make huge profits. And, they would rather not continue to support older systems, because high-level customer service costs money. (Striker guns are easier to assemble, and easier to service.)

I use some few Glocks, and I use a larger number of hammer guns. Tools for tasks. And, my trousers do not fall down.

Not a huge fan of the DA/SA format but I do have a use for them in certain applications. My trigger preferences run more to a nice, clean SA trigger or a deceent stiker fired system that include a thumb safety if it was optional.

I have four DA/SA semi-autos: an HK P229, CZ P01, CZ P07, and Manurhin P1, though I converted the P07 from having a decocker to a thumb safety for carrying in Condition 1. The P229 is my HD go-to gun as I think having the first shot DA in a HD situation is a good idea. I got the P01 and the P07 mainly because I love their ergonomics but would have preferred a first shot SA trigger with a thumb safety if I could have had the P01 come that way from the factory. If given a choice I would rather have a decocker rather than a slide mounted safety/decocker. It's just too awkward and a bit of a stretch for me to reach the slide mounted version. The P1 is primarily just for range use.

Only semis I own are DA/SA and the two that still have safeties, they are never used, the other (PX4s F-series) were converted to G-series to do away with the safety and make the lever into a decocker only. In my opinion (and that is all it is) using a safety is like carrying a handgun for protection without a round in the chamber.
But, everyone needs to carry what they like, what they can accurately shoot, and how they feel when carrying.

As for people saying they are going away? Doubt it, but need to ask are these the same people saying the .40 is history?

RETG said:

Only semis I own are DA/SA and the two that still have safeties, they are never used, the other (PX4s F-series) were converted to G-series to do away with the safety and make the lever into a decocker only. In my opinion (and that is all it is) using a safety is like carrying a handgun for protection without a round in the chamber.
But, everyone needs to carry what they like, what they can accurately shoot, and how they feel when carrying.

As for people saying they are going away? Doubt it, but need to ask are these the same people saying the .40 is history?

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I don't totally agree with the bolded part, but a safety on a DA/SA gun seems pretty unnessary, IMO

guyfromohio said:

My carry guns are generally DAO snubbies, my striker PPS, or a 1911. That being said, I think that the different trigger pull conversation is a non-issue in anything other than competitive shooting. When someone refers to your typical striker-fired weapon in the context of “same pull every time”, I’d ask why they don’t use the abbreviated reset after firing each round? Using the trigger reset as designed makes your follow-up shots different than your first shot. For self defense, I’m not opposed to a longer first shot.

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I'm familiar with the "short reset" but I don't train that until the shooter masters " trigger control"! I've seen "NRA trainers" expose new shooters to the short reset in a beginning shooter class and the whole class went off the rails trying to hit the target!

I prefer to have new shooters concentrate on sight alignment and trigger control and not "catching the reset"! I didn't know it was a "design feature" but again it has been around for at least 25 years.

Smiles,

The Walther PPK has a DA that requires two men and a mule - but at least the SA is fairly long and draggy. Last I read in the gun-rag press, the PPK is still considered stylish.

JJFitch said:

P.S. Why did the Ruger SR9 fall of the map! Great gun with a "safety switch"!

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My LC9s of that type is a regular hideout gun.

rjk2475 said:

I'm being told to dump my Sig classics for the far superior striker polymers for ccw and range. Is this good advise?

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I love my Sig p22x pistols. That said, I have gone over to p365s for EDC. Still not going to dump my p22x pistols however. No sooner do that than dump my S&W revolvers. These are all great range toys and still have plenty of utility for field use.

The Colt 1911 has been "out of style" for fifty years. I wonder why they're still so popular?

I'll throw my outdated junk hammer fired CZ pistols out on the lawn and watch them rust before I'd sell one for a some recycled thrash bag.

bannockburn said:

I got the P01 and the P07 mainly because I love their ergonomics but would have preferred a first shot SA trigger with a thumb safety if I could have had the P01 come that way from the factory. If given a choice I would rather have a decocker rather than a slide mounted safety/decocker. It's just too awkward and a bit of a stretch for me to reach the slide mounted version. The P1 is primarily just for range use.

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You do realize CZ makes a P01 with safety, but comes in the steel frame flavor and imported in small batches.

Consider the source and their reasoning (if any). I have SA 1911s, DA/SA semi-autos and polymer striker SA semi-autos. I am very comfortable with both my SA 1911s andDA/SA Sigs, Berettas, and a Springfield XDe. The determinant is what you shoot best, train with the most, and have the most confidence in whether at the range or for self-defense. For woods carry when hunting or fishing, I carry a DA/SA revolver in .357 Mag or .44 Mag most often, and am equally comfortable with a DA/SA semi-auto. Always take doctrinaire answers with skepticism and understand why those answers are offered.

Good luck,

Harry

sevt_chevelle

You do realize CZ makes a P01 with safety, but comes in the steel frame flavor and imported in small batches

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Yes I was aware of that but at the time all I could find was the P01 so I went with that. And the sales clerk at the gun shop (who was also a big fan of CZs), made me such a great deal on a Kadet .22 conversion kit I bought that too!

"Gone out of style" or "being in style" with regard to handgun choices is viewing individual preferences through a flawed context.

Some things should not be looked at with the main consideration being popularity, market share or current fads.

We can debate 'til the cows come home which platform out of DA/SA, SA or striker-fired pistols might be safer, more durable, more reliable, which makes more sense for military vs. street cop vs. private citizen... but "style?" Uh-uh.

Some choose to wear their ball caps backwards even into their 30s and 40s... some choose to wear their baggy pants' waistbands below their butt cheeks... (or, g*d forbid, skinny jeans)... some wear man-buns. Some of us wear functional Carharrt pants or the same Wrangler jeans that have been around for 150 years.

Some choose to drive a Kia Rio... some choose a Ford F-150... some choose a BMW or Camaro. Some of us still drive hard-to-drive 5 or 6 speed manual transmission motor cars. "Style?"

I'm totally good with DA/SA, and I could care less what the young kid behind the gun shop counter or my so-called "friends" tell me.

I hope DA/SA goes out of style! Because I wear several and I don’t like people copying my style!! lol

It makes you wonder why so many care what others use. Worse still why shooters care what others think about their gear.

gnappi said:

It makes you wonder why so many care what others use. Worse still why shooters care what others think about their gear.

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Agree. I enjoy reading and learning from different perspectives, but at the end of the day…. What another person carries and how they carry it affects me zero.

"Said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."
-Tom Selleck as "Matthew Quigley," in "Quigley Down Under" (1990)

I'm hoping the relevance is obvious.

rjk2475 said:

I think "out of style" means inferior platform to those commenting. Due to "covid shutdown", I shot very little and feel behind the curve. It's more difficult to be enthusiastic feeling I did shoot better and more before; I guess I'm looking for the easy way.

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Dry fire. Or grab a laser system like iTarget or mantis and dry fire.

Easier to find 10 minutes daily and really helps at least keeping your trigger press smooth.

GeoDudeFlorida said:

"Said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."
-Tom Selleck as "Matthew Quigley," in "Quigley Down Under" (1990)

I'm hoping the relevance is obvious.

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Knowing how to use a tool is different than knowing
how to use it well. Always found that a bit hokey
in the film.

UncleEd said:

Knowing how to use a tool is different than knowing
how to use it well. Always found that a bit hokey
in the film.

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It made a great scene in a great movie.

For years, I enjoyed and carried a Sig 239 in 357Sig, a Sig 220 .45ACP and a Sig P226 Navy 9mm. These are classic DA/SA pistols, great build, totally reliable, proven performers. When I started to really get into 1911's, the crisp, consistent single action trigger really took over. Over the years, sold off all my Sigs and concentrated on my 1911's, Glock 19, and now a Sig P365. Nothing against the Classic Sigs. I just like a consistent trigger, though a couple of my friends swear by their transition from DA to SA. Shoot what you enjoy!