Gun Manufacturers, if any of you are reading this......

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LeftyRed

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To Sig: hey really like your 365, even if I was one of your beta testers back in 2018 and had to get it rebuilt after a class and only 975 rounds. I get it, it’s small and when you cram that much much awesomeness into a a new micro class of 9mms growing pains happen. All is forgiven and I bought another one just last year. But the grip module is flimsy and I keep dropping mags or the slide stop is engaged and the slide locks back when it shouldn’t. How about offering different size grips like the 320/250 series? I know you offer the X/XL grip, have use it and big fan. But a larger diameter and a tad more polymer would be nice.

To Glock: I know change is hard, but you are on the right track with the 43X/48. You don’t seem to mind offering a new magazine platform with them. So let’s transfer that over to the 43 and get that 7/8 round mag for them going. Cause have you seen the Ruger Max9 or Taurus GX4? Ruger and Taurus have literally left you in the starting gate, with Sig near the finish line. You can’t bank you future on government contracts. Others are just as good and will cut their cost to beat you out. My first suggest to your R&D department is to merge a 43 slide to a 26 frame, AND DONT LENGTHEN THE GRIP! Let loose of some of that polymer bulk and embrace metal. Little more metal lined, little less polymer coating.

To the rest manufacturers: Please don’t be scared to offer smaller calibers in the micros and pocket pistols. A lot of internet ninjas won’t buy them and say some nasty things about them, but real world users (those without tactical flannel or tattoos) will buy them. They might show their full-size pistol with RDS and Surefire on their belt in pictures, but they are sticking a snubbie in their pocket the rest of the time. Sure they will say “what’s the use” in their reviews, but real world users will be asking “when can we get one!”

And to the rest of you, make your damn sights easier to swap out!

To SW: j frame + 32 caliber = Love.

To Ruger: SP101 frame, but in lightweight alloy. Add steel cylinder, and real sights. Yeah, you have the polymer framed LCR, but let’s get real and go alloy. And don’t be afraid to put a half lug on the damn barrel! And let’s get some REAL boot grips for the LCR, not the stubby rubber monstrosity Hogue is making for it now. And the part about offering smaller calibers in your pocket pistol, read that twice! The LCP would be a great platform for 32/25. And if you have to put a safety on the LCPII, make it a real one or make it ambidextrous.

Carry on.....
Lefty
 
I doubt it! Only when they regulate 9mm ammo for military and police use only will they offer other calibers.

But I will say this. I am impressed and delighted that micro size 9mms are holding up like they are. Let me know real engineering is at work. Might take a bit to get the kinks worked out, but the reliability is there.

Let’s face it, you take a G17/320 Duty sized pistol and make it run anything in every type of environment. When you start making parts smaller, things can get finicky. My favorite subcompacts are still the G26 and 320SC. Just cut down version of the compact version of the duty version. Reliable day in and out. But you get slimmer and smaller, you lose some reliability especially in the same caliber as the duty version. Same pressures, different sizes.

And then Ruger and Taurus come out and just rub some major company’s face in the dirt with their micros. Taurus takes the flag since they use the same sights as Glock! Brilliant! And here Glock is sitting in the corner waiting on Shield to make higher capacity magazines for their piss poor attempt at Slim Lines.

Also Shield, how about a magazine for the G36? 8 rounds staggered would be about right.
 
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For those clamoring for these new range toys,
can any one of you say you command enough
following, leverage to guarantee coverage in
sales the cost for them being developed?I

In reality, the handgun world is well served
by the .22LR,/Mag., .38/.357, .44 Mag,
9mm and .45ACP.

If you are really passionate about getting
new chamberings and guns then gather other
venture capitalist like yourself and provide the
money that will be needed. You'll all make
millions and millions of dollars.
 
UncleEd said:
For those clamoring for these new range toys,
can any one of you say you command enough
following, leverage to guarantee coverage in
sales the cost for them being developed?I

In reality, the handgun world is well served
by the .22LR,/Mag., .38/.357, .44 Mag,
9mm and .45ACP.

If you are really passionate about getting
new chamberings and guns then gather other
venture capitalist like yourself and provide the
money that will be needed. You'll all make
millions and millions of dollars.
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You are right Uncle, will just delete thread this and be boring and be happy with what we are spooned fed.

Promise not to use this forum to express any new ideas or go against the establishment and it’s way of thinking.
 
There is a gun manufacturer that makes 1911s and a few years back they started listening to their customers. After a while they were offering so many different 1911s that their quality control started to suffer. They started getting a bad rep. And decided to get things back on track. They ended up dropping over half of the different verification of their 1911s and picked up their quality control. The manufactur was Kimber.
What the customer wants is not always a good thing for a company. But that’s not to say that you shouldn’t send them a letter, or email with your ideas.
 
LeftyRed said:
You are right Uncle, will just delete thread this and be boring and be happy with what we are spooned fed.

Promise not to use this forum to express any new ideas or go against the establishment and it’s way of thinking.
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Now that wasn’t nice. Uncle just said that you should do what others in the past have done. Many have jumped into the gun manufacturing business over the years. Some just wanted a slice of the pie, but others wanted to bring to the market, what they thought the market needed. Some did good, but many failed. And the ones that failed, not all had bad ideas. Some just weren’t good at running a company, or marketing.
 
The only recommendation I have for ALL gun manufacturers is:

Drop that BS ISO-9000 quality assurance standard that is absolutely a joke and do some proactive Quality Assurance and Quality Control that your customers deserve. Listen to your customers.
Oh, and if you want to know how to set up Customer Service? Give Henry a call and emulate them.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
Now that wasn’t nice. Uncle just said that you should do what others in the past have done. Many have jumped into the gun manufacturing business over the years. Some just wanted a slice of the pie, but others wanted to bring to the market, what they thought the market needed. Some did good, but many failed. And the ones that failed, not all had bad ideas. Some just weren’t good at running a company, or marketing.
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You are right, and I almost feel bad. But this is the internet, and folks need thicker skins. Plus, if someone doesn’t want to play along with the theme of a thread, they are not mandated to reply to it. I have just went by several threads and posts that I didn’t agree with. Mainly because no one really cares what my take is, unless they PMed me and asked for it.

Do I REALLY think gun manufacturers watch threads like this, I doubt it! But if Ruger chamber the LCPII in 22lr, and make it work, 25ACP is an easy chambering to do. Straight wall, easier feed than rimfire, and reliable ignition from primers. And if Kel Tec can make the P32 into the 3AT, I’m sure Ruger can step it up and rechamber the LCP to 32ACP. Very little R&D at work here. I mean Ruger made the mash up of the LC9 and Security 9 to get the Max 9 pretty quick when they saw that micro, ultra sub compact thingies are what shooters wanted in the Sig P365.

And if Sig already makes grip modules for their 320/250 series, and make longer ones for the P365 series I doubt it’s a big leap to add some width and trigger length to them and offer a M and L grip module for the 365/365XL. And would likely put the P365 in to even more holsters. The biggest complaint I have heard from actual users of the P365 is the very narrow and flimsy grip. You can only put so much grip tape on it. Believe me, I tried.

When I see dog scat on the sidewalk, I walk around it and go on. I don’t take a picture of it, post it to FB, and be a Karen about it.
 
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Ric said:
S&W
A 45 Colt in a K frame…..excellent
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A shop in the PNW actually built one. Very best of materials to take the strain but they said it wasn't a good idea and they wouldn't do another.

LeftyRed said:
Only when they regulate 9mm ammo for military and police use only will they offer other calibers
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I agree. 9mm P is too entrenched. QV the 8mm thread.
 
LeftyRed said:
You are right, and I almost feel bad. But this is the internet, and folks need thicker skins. Plus, if someone doesn’t want to play along with the theme of a thread, they are not mandated to reply to it. I have just went by several threads and posts that I didn’t agree with. Mainly because no one really cares what my take is, unless they PMed me and asked for it.

Do I REALLY think gun manufacturers watch threads like this, I doubt it! But if Ruger chamber the LCPII in 22lr, and make it work, 25ACP is an easy chambering to do. Straight wall, easier feed than rimfire, and reliable ignition from primers. And if Kel Tec can make the P32 into the 3AT, I’m sure Ruger can step it up and rechamber the LCP to 32ACP. Very little R&D at work here. I mean Ruger made the mash up of the LC9 and Security 9 to get the Max 9 pretty quick when they saw that micro, ultra sub compact thingies are what shooters wanted in the Sig P365.

And if Sig already makes grip modules for their 320/250 series, and make longer ones for the P365 series I doubt it’s a big leap to add some width and trigger length to them and offer a M and L grip module for the 365/365XL. And would likely put the P365 in to even more holsters. The biggest complaint I have heard from actual users of the P365 is the very narrow and flimsy grip. You can only put so much grip tape on it. Believe me, I tried.

When I see dog scat on the sidewalk, I walk around it and go on. I don’t take a picture of it, post it to FB, and be a Karen about it.
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I didn’t buy a P365 because I don’t like the grip. But the Making different frames for it would not be the same as the P320. The P365 is not a modular gun like the P320. So Sig would have to offer a complete gun for each frame size, which would not be cost effective.
Glocks have got a reputation for being one of the most reliable firearms on the market. Glock builds their mags so that they are reliable. A lot of people were upset that the G43X and the G48 only had 10 round mags. I guess Glock found that this was best for reliability. But then Shield Arms started making a metal, 15 round, magazine for the guns. The Shield Arms Mags work so good that they are most on back order when trying to buy them. You can say that Shield Arms was listening to what shooters wanted and they hit a home run with their mags.
I don’t think any major gun manufacturer, in their right mind, would put out a gun in 25 auto. The round is expensive and way under powered. So the few that think a major manufacturer should start making a 25 Auto, dream on.
If I remember right THR is a discussion forum for gun topics. Never thought of it as a play along with my topic type of forum. Not everyone here agrees with everyone on every topic. This is why we have discussions in a friendly manor.
If you don’t think anyone cares about what you have to say, then why post a reply to a topic?
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I didn’t buy a P365 because I don’t like the grip. But the Making different frames for it would not be the same as the P320. The P365 is not a modular gun like the P320. So Sig would have to offer a complete gun for each frame size, which would not be cost effective.
Glocks have got a reputation for being one of the most reliable firearms on the market. Glock builds their mags so that they are reliable. A lot of people were upset that the G43X and the G48 only had 10 round mags. I guess Glock found that this was best for reliability. But then Shield Arms started making a metal, 15 round, magazine for the guns. The Shield Arms Mags work so good that they are most on back order when trying to buy them. You can say that Shield Arms was listening to what shooters wanted and they hit a home run with their mags.
I don’t think any major gun manufacturer, in their right mind, would put out a gun in 25 auto. The round is expensive and way under powered. So the few that think a major manufacturer should start making a 25 Auto, dream on.
If I remember right THR is a discussion forum for gun topics. Never thought of it as a play along with my topic type of forum. Not everyone here agrees with everyone on every topic. This is why we have discussions in a friendly manor.
If you don’t think anyone cares about what you have to say, then why post a reply to a topic?
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The P365 has a Fire Control Unit, like the 320 series. And you can buy different grip modules in different colors and grip length. And then you can even buy different slide lengths with and without optical cuts. So if it isn’t modular, it’s missing a change to be.


Oh the “25ACP” is underpowered argument. Got me there. Still Ruger saw fit to make the LCPII in 22lr. Maybe I can dream, and they make one in 25 or 32.

Why did I start this. Because I can.
 
LeftyRed said:
To Sig: hey really like your 365, even if I was one of your beta testers back in 2018 and had to get it rebuilt after a class and only 975 rounds. I get it, it’s small and when you cram that much much awesomeness into a a new micro class of 9mms growing pains happen. All is forgiven and I bought another one just last year. But the grip module is flimsy and I keep dropping mags or the slide stop is engaged and the slide locks back when it shouldn’t. How about offering different size grips like the 320/250 series? I know you offer the X/XL grip, have use it and big fan. But a larger diameter and a tad more polymer would be nice.

To Glock: I know change is hard, but you are on the right track with the 43X/48. You don’t seem to mind offering a new magazine platform with them. So let’s transfer that over to the 43 and get that 7/8 round mag for them going. Cause have you seen the Ruger Max9 or Taurus GX4? Ruger and Taurus have literally left you in the starting gate, with Sig near the finish line. You can’t bank you future on government contracts. Others are just as good and will cut their cost to beat you out. My first suggest to your R&D department is to merge a 43 slide to a 26 frame, AND DONT LENGTHEN THE GRIP! Let loose of some of that polymer bulk and embrace metal. Little more metal lined, little less polymer coating.

To the rest manufacturers: Please don’t be scared to offer smaller calibers in the micros and pocket pistols. A lot of internet ninjas won’t buy them and say some nasty things about them, but real world users (those without tactical flannel or tattoos) will buy them. They might show their full-size pistol with RDS and Surefire on their belt in pictures, but they are sticking a snubbie in their pocket the rest of the time. Sure they will say “what’s the use” in their reviews, but real world users will be asking “when can we get one!”

And to the rest of you, make your damn sights easier to swap out!

To SW: j frame + 32 caliber = Love.

To Ruger: SP101 frame, but in lightweight alloy. Add steel cylinder, and real sights. Yeah, you have the polymer framed LCR, but let’s get real and go alloy. And don’t be afraid to put a half lug on the damn barrel! And let’s get some REAL boot grips for the LCR, not the stubby rubber monstrosity Hogue is making for it now. And the part about offering smaller calibers in your pocket pistol, read that twice! The LCP would be a great platform for 32/25. And if you have to put a safety on the LCPII, make it a real one or make it ambidextrous.

Carry on.....
Lefty
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And somebody get with SAAMI and Vista Sports and come up with a .41Spl that is not a toned down .41Mag or +P+ .41 Long Colt but it’s own niche cartridge; then, stuff it into a 6-shot revolver small enough to carry but large enough to shoot accurately.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
And somebody get with SAAMI and Vista Sports and come up with a .41Spl that is not a toned down .41Mag or +P+ .41 Long Colt but it’s own niche cartridge; then, stuff it into a 6-shot revolver small enough to carry but large enough to shoot accurately.
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What would you have them do different? .41 Special is same diameters as .41 Magnum but Special case length. There is a substantial body of load data. Can be had as a six shot L frame or a smaller five shot.

What's left? .401 Herter's, .40 Auto Rim? S&W made some .40 S&W clip guns.

Smaller than .41 but larger than .38,
A gunziner got the late lamented USFA to make him a revolver with .41 LC chambers but throats and barrel for an inside lubricated solid base bullet, a true .386.

Dan Wesson made some .375s but they were big long magnums for metallic silhouette.
 
Dear ruger,
A 1911 in 5.7 is the only chance you have to sell me another centerfire but make snubnose gp100s and sp101s in .22 and I'll buy one

Dear Smith and wesson,
X frame in .22 for the laughs please. Also keep making the model 41

Dear glock,
19 sized 25 acp to have a hilarious capacity would be sweet.

Dear any manufacturer that will listen,
Single shot .22 target pistol designed with the peacemaker as a starting point would be incredible.

Make more high end .22 pistols.

Send high end .22s with different spring kits to run high end soft shooting match ammo worth a fig.
 
Dear S&W Thank You for putting the lock on your revolvers, it makes me feel so much safer!

Dear Ruger Thank You for putting a reminder to read the warnings in the manual of the side of your guns, not only does this make the gun MUCH safer it also looks great.

Dear High Point, just Thank You

I would also like to thank every gun manufacturer that includes the wonderful feature of a magazine disconnect safety, and for those of you that don’t have this feature….PLEASE at least put a reminder on the firearm itself that it will fire with the magazine removed.

And finally, I would like thank my big brother for requiring a locking devise to be sold with every new gun purchase. I’ve never used one (other than to lock my garage door) but I LOVE knowing everyone else in the Country is using them.
 
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