Marlin announcement from Ruger

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CraigC said:
I don't buy that crap at all. I've bought more Rugers than most people will ever even consider, nearly 80 guns total. No, Ruger is producing more guns than ever and the people who do experience problems are more likely to whine about it on the internet. The internet has always been the world's complaint department. Bad news gets more press and it makes it appear worse than it really is.
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While I love my Rugers, I have bought 4, and have to say my 1989 GP was the best.
My 2007era 10/22 came with a defective extractor, that caused many malfunctions.
My Standard MK3, from 2008 had the same extractor defect, and the LCI caused multiple out of battery firings.
My NM Vaquero from around 2005 has pins that float 1/8" side to side, and I put rubber O rings in to keep them in place. It also has some parts that went straight from casting to sale.
That said, I still have them all, still love them all, and they shoot great. But 3 new production firearms, and each has issues is not a good sign.

I will say, maybe the Taurus fin/finish was as good as Ruger, but I bet the metallurgy, and blue-print adherence was far behind.
 
WisBorn said:
I think Ruger will reintroduce the Marlin model 60. To have the number one and number two selling semiautomatic 22lr rifles in your catalog is not a bad thing.
It boils down to profit margins for the individual models.
Many of us would like to see a 41 mag lever action. They will make it if the $$$$ makes sense....
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it'll be like when Coke and Diet Coke beat out Pepsi as the most popular brand's.
 
DeepSouth said:
I just hope they’ll bring back the camp carbines.
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I can’t imagine why they would want to bring back a gun to compete with one they are already making.

Besides, as the owner of both a Camp Carbine and a PC Carbine I think the Ruger is the superior design. The Camp Carbine is prone to all sorts of failure modes even after replacing the deteriorated original buffer.
 
They’ll bring lever guns at a decent price point to bring the heat on Henry then bring out the other stuff later. The main competitor for new Marlins is Henry and they’ll want to command back that lost market share when Remington collapsed. Because say what you want about “The lever gun is dead,” Henry has made their entire company off them and Marlin was obviously selling enough of them to be bought out twice.

As for Wish list I say they should bring back the short throw levermatics for the Rimfire stuff.
 
WisBorn said:
I think Ruger will reintroduce the Marlin model 60. To have the number one and number two selling semiautomatic 22lr rifles in your catalog is not a bad thing.
It boils down to profit margins for the individual models.
Many of us would like to see a 41 mag lever action. They will make it if the $$$$ makes sense....
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If ruger brings the model 60 back for less than 200 my wallet will start quivering.
 
R.W.Dale said:
Ruger will field the marlin name but none of their designs lend themselves to modern manufacturing.

The upcoming rifles will likely be fantastic guns but will probably only have a passing resemblance to a marlin.
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They're going to be built with the brand new CNC machinery Ruger got when they bought Marlin. :confused:
 
TarDevil said:
Thanks for that information, but I would still like a response from the person to whom the questions were addressed.
Just FYI, I have more Ruger's than other handguns combined, which would not be the case if experienced your issues. They have been reliable, accurate and a joy to shoot.

Which proves only one thing: The wonderful world wide web is a deep well of every anecdotal story one wishes to find.
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Just like your anecdotal story...

CraigC said:
I don't buy that crap at all. I've bought more Rugers than most people will ever even consider, nearly 80 guns total. No, Ruger is producing more guns than ever and the people who do experience problems are more likely to whine about it on the internet. The internet has always been the world's complaint department. Bad news gets more press and it makes it appear worse than it really is.
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Not true, either.

Post a question about 'Thinking about buying a Ruger Blackhawk' and see the responses you get. About 75% of them will be positive... I know, I've read them.

For what it's worth, I've probably owned as many S&W revolvers as Rugers... the Smiths were simply better built pistols, but that is not to say I haven't had my share of problems with them, either... S&W's QC has been out to lunch a few times, too. Firearms are simply mechanical devices built by humans. It's true, I've had terrible luck with Ruger pistols... and I'm not alone... but I'm also willing to admit they have built good pistols, too... they would likely not still be in business otherwise. There are still 2 or 3 Ruger revolvers on my List... and I know if I buy one it will be a 50/50 chance I actually get a pistol that does not require work.
 
R.W.Dale said:
Ruger will field the marlin name but none of their designs lend themselves to modern manufacturing.

The upcoming rifles will likely be fantastic guns but will probably only have a passing resemblance to a marlin.
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I would almost guarantee the 1894, 1895 and 336 will be back with little or not change from Marlin/Remington versions. They are not hard to make, Remington had done a fair amount of work to transition from old single op machining that Marlin has used to CNC machining centers for most of the major components and Ruger acquired most of that equipment, unfortunately none of the operators or engineers that has done that translation. The easy path to market for Ruger with Marlin is simple stand those machines up and start making those original Remlins. The time line to bring a completely new design to market is considerable longer if they are really going to test it.
 
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mcb said:
I would almost guarantee the 1894, 1895 and 336 will be back with little or not chance from Marlin/Remington versions. They are not hard to make, Remington had done a fair amount of work to transition from old single op machining that Marlin has used to CNC machining centers for most of the major components and Ruger acquired most of that equipment, unfortunately none of the operators or engineers that has done that translation. The easy path to market for Ruger with Marlin is simple stand those machines up and start making those original Remlins. The time line to bring a completely new design to market is considerable longer if they are really going to test it.
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and the market hated the rifles made this way and universally rejected them at the price point needed to make them

don’t forget about that part. Ruger isn’t going to make Remingtons mistakes
 
R.W.Dale said:
and the market hated the rifles made this way and universally rejected them at the price point needed to make them

don’t forget about that part. Ruger isn’t going to make Remingtons mistakes
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Many hated them because of Remington's QC and the fact it took them over 7 years to get Marlin production ramped to acceptable QC levels not because of the rifles themselves or the manner in which they where manufactured. And right before the second bankruptcy Remington had Marlin figured out pretty well and the guns were selling like hot cake even in the post Trump slump. It was one of the few things Remington could successfully sell. They could not make the Marlin Dark series fast enough. If everything has been selling for Remington as well at the Remlins the company probably could have avoided the second bankruptcy.

I would be willing to bet that we will see 1894, 1895, & 336 before we see anything else from Ruglin...
 
R.W.Dale said:
Ruger will field the marlin name but none of their designs lend themselves to modern manufacturing.

The upcoming rifles will likely be fantastic guns but will probably only have a passing resemblance to a marlin.
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How do you know this as fact ? When I see the word "Likely" it concerns me about actual facts .
 
Dale Alan said:
How do you know this as fact ? When I see the word "Likely" it concerns me about actual facts .
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And how do you know it isn’t

what firearms does ruger make that involves complicated broaching and machining of the receiver? Vs the investment casting processes they’ve been famous for pioneering
 
Elkins45 said:
I can’t imagine why they would want to bring back a gun to compete with one they are already making.

Besides, as the owner of both a Camp Carbine and a PC Carbine I think the Ruger is the superior design. The Camp Carbine is prone to all sorts of failure modes even after replacing the deteriorated original buffer.
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Perhaps if they combine the salient features of both and correct the buffer issue the Camp Carbine has they might have a winner. Bonus points if they make adapters for all the major brands, too.
 
Dustbowl said:
They’ll bring lever guns at a decent price point to bring the heat on Henry then bring out the other stuff later. The main competitor for new Marlins is Henry and they’ll want to command back that lost market share when Remington collapsed. Because say what you want about “The lever gun is dead,” Henry has made their entire company off them and Marlin was obviously selling enough of them to be bought out twice.

As for Wish list I say they should bring back the short throw levermatics for the Rimfire stuff.
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Exactly, Henry is making ~250,000 rifles a year and I doubt many of those are AR-7s. Henry is in the top handful of rifle makers in the USA by numbers produced. This is certainly evidence in opposition of "the lever gun is dead."
 
TarDevil said:
Exactly. Glad you get it.
Did you think I was differing with you?
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No... not at all... I have thicker skin than that. ;) Everyone's true experience with anything is just their perspective... based on their own experience. I probably took more of an issue with Craig's comments, assuming I'm taking them in context, that Ruger never kicks out a substandard firearm... because he's owned 80 of them. While I don't doubt for a fact that it's true... based on what he's said... my view, based on my own experience and my expectations, with about 8 Ruger revolvers over the past 35 years, has not been his experience. That's all.
 
Charlie98 said:
Not true, either.
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I stand by my statements. Ruger has never been the pinnacle of fit & finish, which is why I have always thoroughly inspected new guns, regardless of manufacturer, before filling out the 4473. In fact, Ruger has improved a lot about their revolver production in the last 10-15yrs. You won't hear much chatter about improvements but the slightest little finish issue and it's the end of the world. There's a guy posted pictures of his new Ruger on a Facebook group last week. bawling about how bad it is. I still can't figure out what he's talking about. IMHO, the internet makes things seem worse than they are and I also think there are a lot of uninformed consumers.


Charlie98 said:
I probably took more of an issue with Craig's comments, assuming I'm taking them in context, that Ruger never kicks out a substandard firearm...
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Where did I say that? I've had a Ruger turd, one so bad that it had to be scrapped and replaced. I never said they never make turds.


R.W.Dale said:
and the market hated the rifles made this way and universally rejected them at the price point needed to make them
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False. As I said earlier, the JM guns weren't all that great to begin with. People speak as if they are but it always baffles me. They were always more crudely machined, fitted and finished than their Winchester counterparts. The newer Remington guns, if don't right like my 1895, are head and shoulders above the old JM guns.


R.W.Dale said:
what firearms does ruger make that involves complicated broaching and machining of the receiver? Vs the investment casting processes they’ve been famous for pioneering
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The one area that has almost always been broached is the raceway for the hand/pawl. Even Colt doesn't do that any more. Why? Because EDM works better. Where do you get this idea that cast frames don't require machine work??? Have you actually looked at a raw casting as compared to a raw forging? Not much difference.
 
R.W.Dale said:
Ruger will field the marlin name but none of their designs lend themselves to modern manufacturing.
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That's a curious statement.

Do you think other manufacturers of Lever rifles and other 19th century designs are banging out forgings on power hammers and cutting on line shaft machines with steel tooling?

CNCs don't care what they're making. They easily interpolate shapes that are done by forming and special fixturing on manual equipment with fewer tools, fewer operators and in far less time. A modern high speed 5+ axis VMC can turn a chunk of 4140 into a Marlin receiver faster than you can read all the replies in this thread.
 
Complicated machining isn’t as complicated when you have a CNC line and modern machines all set up. Which is what Ruger bought and what Remington spent a few years setting up from the ground up.

The labor and expense is in the hand-fitting which is necessary to get a truly nice level of finish and function when machining parts by hand on old single-process machines. This was necessary to some degree with the old JM Marlin line, because those guns were made by experienced operators who knew the tricks to get maximum performance out of old and worn machines. So if Ruger used that process… Marlin would not be coming back. But using Remington’s process would be a different story. I’d think it would be a great deal more expensive to re-engineer them for the customary Ruger methods.
 
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